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Did I miss something here? I didn't recommend any yuri shows.
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2013-05-31, 22:50 | Link #303 |
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@Tempterster - Ok, thanks for the clarification. I understand where you're coming from now.
Yes, it's true that Madoka Magica and SSY have stories that are easily comprehensible and can be taken at face value. Their depth and philosophy is more in the actual dialogue than in any symbolic imagery, imo (although both shows have a little bit of such imagery). Yes, they're not as interpretive in nature as Serial Experiments Lain, Revolutionary Girl Utena, and Mawaru Penguindrum are.
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2013-06-01, 00:10 | Link #304 | |
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2013-06-02, 06:02 | Link #305 | |
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I don't feel that a show needs to be more than 24 episodes in order to be memorable or have an impact, but if someone prefers longer series I think that's perfectly understandable. Those long series were never the standard, though; one seems to arise every few years but otherwise it has always been series that were 11-13 episodes or 24-26 episodes in length.
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2013-06-02, 08:21 | Link #306 |
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And honestly I can't see why those aforementioned shows should be considered better than FMA, Death Note, Monster or Nana.
For example the large amount of half-baked fillers in Ranma 1/2 really diminished the overall worth of the series. I'd rather read the manga any day. And it is almost universally recognized that the best part of Rurouni Kenshin it's the 6 OAV, which you can watch independently from the series. One thing is to claim that you liked those series better, but stating that those were "masterpieces" and "exemplary", in spite of their many flaws and implying that none of the most recent series reach to their level seems to suggest some kind of objectivity that it is neither supported by critics nor by popularity.
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2013-06-02, 12:01 | Link #307 |
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Sounds like we're in that cycle of confusing "better","masterpiece", etc. with "shows I liked". There are modern and contemporary series that easily meet/exceed many of the so-called "jewels of yore" - they're just not of the same genre or emphasis.
It is like claiming music of the 50s is "better than anything since" when even casual examination skewers that notion. My main problem with anime today is simply finding enough time to watch more than 2 or 3 series in a season. I could wish for more variety and risk taking I suppose but that is a problem in almost any time period over the last 40 years.
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2013-06-02, 14:15 | Link #308 | |
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There were a lot less TV shows back then as well.And as with many shows of any kind most fall into obscurity which is why only "one seems to arise every few years".
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2013-06-02, 15:14 | Link #309 | |
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2013-06-02, 17:24 | Link #310 | |
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Can't really comment on 50+ episodes with any confidence so I'll just refrain from doing so right now.
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2013-06-03, 08:18 | Link #311 |
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I've used AniDB to generate show counts by year. You can set the search parameters to a specific period of time. (I usually exclude hentai and "synonyms" from these counts.)
I've not broken them out by number of episodes though. You can do that simply by sorting on the episodes column and counting by hand. For instance, there are 66 TV series of 13 episodes or less that began and ended in 2010. Resorting the episodes column to a descending list shows fifteen series of thirty-nine or more episodes in 2010, and only 49 series that extended longer than 13 episodes. Those figures represent 13% and 43% of the 115 total series respectively. In 1980, I cannot find any shows with fewer than 22 episodes, though I'll admit I did this rather hastily.
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2013-06-03, 08:49 | Link #312 |
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I'd call that a reflection of the economic woes of Japan - that drives the unwillingness to take risks on long projects and the reduction in taking on "untried" concepts in storytelling.
I've lost count of the number of series that really *needed* two cour for a proper story telling. At the moment, only light novel series (handful a year?) are getting some decent time budgets in animated coverage.
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2013-06-03, 09:06 | Link #313 |
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I must say, I don't have statistical data, but if my perspective is of any value, I can't really remember a famous anime from the 80s that had just 26 episodes or fewer.
Name an old classic and it will most likely have more than that. Perhaps it is a trend that causes people to value more stories that are focused and less dispersive than they did in the past. I, for one, prefer this recent trend and that's partially why I like the newer anime more than those I used to watch in my childhood.
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2013-06-03, 11:15 | Link #314 | |
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In a way to me those seem like the ancestors of the current 1 cour late night TV animes more so than the TV shows of the time.
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2013-06-03, 22:52 | Link #316 |
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I'm 32 and have been watching anime since Vampire Hunter D and Robot Carnival aired on scifi channel early on a Saturday morning. I guess that would have been middle school for me.
Truth be told I could never get into a ton of anime but when something did click for me I REALLY liked it. Devilman, Bastard, Elfen Lied, Berserk, original Ninja Scroll, etc. But it's been YEARS since anything has held my attention. I've enjoyed the new Berserk movies simply because at least it is a taste of the old awesomeness I remember. I don't even bother hating on the film like other passionate fans because I'm so grateful to have it and finally get to see the eclipse animated in a brutal way plus the aftermath. Didn't know it was possible to ever enjoy anime again and wondered if I was done completely but Attack on Titan has clicked with me and I'm loving it. So the hits are FAR FAR fewer these days for some of us but at least a gem comes along once in awhile and I can still call myself an anime fan. |
2013-06-03, 23:01 | Link #317 |
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This is when I usually say that calling oneself an "anime fan" is a bit like calling oneself a "television fan". Anime is an entertainment medium with almost any sort of content possible.
Someone who watches only a specific subset of anime is a fan of that specific subset. These days I usually qualify my interests right off the start because otherwise the conversation goes like this. Me: I watch anime. I like it. Other: Wow! Great! Did you see the last One Piece? Me: No, I just finished rewatching Toradora! and Moribito though. I might watch Ore Imouto later. Other: What are those? How can you be an anime fan and not watch One Piece? Me: Because I'm not often a fan of that particular subset of shounen. There are some exceptions like Martian Successor, TTGL, GiTS, and such. After that it goes downhill, especially when the other doesn't understand that most of what I list is shounen/seinen as well - but other kinds. Substitute almost any series you like for either speaker.
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2013-06-03, 23:06 | Link #318 | |
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So I say I am an anime fan because I can at least start a show and give it a chance. Like how I am a horror movie fan when so many others will say they are no fan at all. Even though lots of horror movies suck I can give any film a try cause I am a fan of the genre. |
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2013-06-04, 00:33 | Link #319 |
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Clearly, only anime back then were deep, philosophical, and respectful of their audiences, avoiding pandering to sexual fetishes and other vices, while modern anime is just brain dead shit that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
I introduce you to one of the deepest and most meaningful older anime of my life. Just enjoy the character depth and hidden plot elements combined with breathtakingly beautiful art and fluid animation that makes one think about one's soul and life's greater meanings- leaving a better person: I am sad they no longer make classics like these. Good bye. /jumps off cliff.
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