2017-06-05, 00:47 | Link #461 | |
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I say let him stay, until and unless the American people actually voted him out. I think too many Americans are still pretending Trump wasn't what the American people voted for. Let's give them another chance to prove that this was not an accident. That Donald Trump is exactly what represents the American People. If anything, all the talk about impeachment is made because people are terrified about the implications of a 2nd term Trump. That many people would rather not consider that possibility. But really, sometimes you have to face reality to fix it.
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2017-06-05, 00:56 | Link #462 |
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Well the question why is Trump still there, why are the Americans not removing him, as seen from someone looking in.
The answer is because we only remove our presidents by voting every four years or impeaching them via Congress. The first happens every four to eight years, the later has basically never happened in full. Even with Nixon, who resigned to keep the nation from going through yet another huge political trial as this was just after Watergate and would have been even worse, not only for national moral (already at an all time low as it was at the end of the Vietnam War) but also very lengthy and it would be on TV all programing day long with only three networks to choose from. The only other ways are very illegal and usually we don't want those to happen.
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2017-06-05, 01:12 | Link #463 |
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In the end the only reason GOP haven't impeached Trump, is because they believe they can win a 2nd presidency with Trump. That's all.
And if GOP believes it, they could just be right. Remember that in USA, unpopularity doesn't translate to election loss because so few vote. While with Australia, compulsory voting means loss in popularity automatically meant election disaster. So Tony Abbott was immediately removed by his own party once they saw that he couldn't be re-elected. So let me repeat, he is still not being impeached because American Voters want him for a 2nd term.
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2017-06-05, 02:12 | Link #464 | |
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In the US, you will just never see the party backstabbing its own leader even when that kind of action would be the right course of action to take sometimes. That's too bad because that's the kind of intrigue that would keep millions of people watching TV reports on domestic politics every day. |
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2017-06-05, 02:14 | Link #465 | |
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i'm not a expert on that but the chances of USA get even worst with trump doing what he is doing are big, this guy really doing just shit so far, the only thing he is really doing is undo everything was did on america until today and his idiot "trump wall" which he is desperated to make at any cost, which ironically in case he lose on the re-elections the other guy can come and just break them all, his ideas are really insane ones so far.
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2017-06-05, 02:33 | Link #466 |
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As mentioned, a fair number of Americas could give less than a fart in caring what the rest of the World does, much less thinks of the US. What happens outside makes absolutely no difference to them. "Why should I care what they think of us in Germany?" The more extreme of those will go "and if they try something, we'll just invade them again".
Part of the entire point as to why Trump gained votes in Middle America is because they want to be self sufficient. They want globalization to die. They want the US to be what it was in 1940. Isolationist industrial powerhouse. That was why the slogan "make America great again" rang true with them. They want that America back. Back then the United States was the largest producer of oil on the planet. The one that can out produce the world in most areas. The America that doesn't need the world to stand alone (in truth it needs trade, but if you are producing, they will come and buy). An America that didn't need a large standing army that is either fighting or defending places all over the planet. What it had was a large navy, and an army that could grow when needed, and in today's world, it also have a standing air force with both bombers and missile command to keep nuclear strikes away, with fighters to intercept other nations military flights near our airspace. That is why they wanted Trump. They don't want to care about the rest of the world, they want to leave it alone and return to isolationism where the main international contact was trade and waving at visitors from time to time. What happened in Europe, Africa, Asia, or wherever was their problem, not America's problem. The only time it became America's problem was when it interfered with trade (or got dangerously close to an American territory, such as the Philippines at that time, or Guam today).
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2017-06-05, 03:58 | Link #467 | |
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And that's just France. |
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2017-06-05, 04:48 | Link #468 | |
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2017-06-05, 05:33 | Link #469 |
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that deformed vision of the world have been made easier with the algorithms used by social networks like twitter and facebook. Those made suggestions according to users' browser history and locked them down in their own echo chambers. Paving the way to people like Trump.
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2017-06-05, 09:41 | Link #470 |
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@Ithekro i an understand this, but the problem is not just outside, he is damaging also inside american, he literally did "nothing so far" to make "american great" they still have a large number of peoples without a job and he doing even worst he take away the health care system, he is trying to take money for all the country health systems the retriment and a lot of places to "build his wondefull monument wall", the damage is not only outside but also inside and while i see protests toward it, it still feels like really not enough cares what he is doing to scare the republicans.
ps what is this "GOP(the power behind trump)" which your's are speaking???
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2017-06-05, 13:16 | Link #471 |
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It is barely June. Most Americans don't actually expect the president to have done anything for about a year into their presidency. Trump has been president less than six months.
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2017-06-05, 13:37 | Link #472 | |
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If anything, I hope there will be blood soon when Americans suffer the effects of his crappy stunts (a.k.a. crappy policies). Last edited by Toukairin; 2017-06-05 at 15:22. |
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2017-06-05, 14:46 | Link #473 |
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To be honest, I don't expect the county to be any different than it was in 2007, just ten years ago. People make it seem like the end of the world, but realistically the main difference is the Federal government stops paying for things that they were not paying for in the previous decade. There are other effects of course since people just started getting use to the changes made by the Obama administration, and to the rest of the world, who've had many of these things provided by their governments for decades or even afew generations, this would seem like an unspeakable crime, but to the Americans? To many (enough to get Trump elected) they didn't want tax dollars or Federal regulations over certain things at all, or get the trickle down taxes or added costs shoved on the consumers from international treaties.
What happens from all of this? It is honestly too soon to tell. Most changes won't even go into effect for years, yet people panic before the pen even hits the paper. A paper that can be vetoed by the next president or overturned by Congress if it becomes an actual problem for America.
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2017-06-05, 15:59 | Link #474 | |
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For those who are unaware, here is a recent study about the news regarding President Trump. The number is a staggering 88% negative coverage... The thing is, not everyone has the time/interest to follow politics closely. They will simply follow the news, or listen to what other people who follow the news have to say. And so when the mainstream media, owned/financed by the losing side (who can't accept that they lost) tells people every day that "Trump is racist, xenophobic, [...], and now that he's President, we're all doomed", the average person might end up believing it. "All these people are saying it, therefore it must be true..."
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2017-06-05, 16:16 | Link #475 | |
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2017-06-05, 16:50 | Link #476 | |
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Rich coming from anyone spouting Breitbart and InfoWarz-esque catchphrases like "Ministry of Truth". Remember when Obama was a Muslim Nigerian Communist Nazi Anti-Christ with absolutely zero evidence other than being a black democrat? At least there's smoke, if not fire, for the claims against Trump. |
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2017-06-05, 16:54 | Link #477 |
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Regardless of what your politic affiliation is, him walking out of Paris Accord should be pretty damn telling. But fuck the planet, you wanted him to make a point against those fucking communists, right?
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2017-06-05, 17:08 | Link #478 | |
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Speaking of problems, guess what. They're already here. Getting out of the climate pact signed by nearly every country on Earth is already causing massive reputation damage. This will have consequences for companies working abroad or internationally. Also investing into renewable energy creates jobs. Yes really, creates. Countries that are leading in that sector will have the advantage and getting out of the pact sets America's position massively behind. The only reason why it's not as impactful so far is because American companies and states are following the goals of the pact on their own regardless of what their government says. Quote:
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