2012-07-18, 21:53 | Link #61 | |
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I think it was around chapter 502 manga that i started to lean strongly toward Tobi= Obito theory. Also to add to that His counters with Kakashi and how he talked to him seemed as if he knew him well imo.
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2012-07-18, 22:09 | Link #62 |
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lol the possibility of Rin being Tobi is more lesser than Obito being Tobi but i assume Rin can be Tobi just for the hints like
- Tobi knows Gai and Kakashi well - Tobi does not use amaterasu/tsukuyomi/susano but rather he uses his sharingan thesame way a non-uchiha blood person like Kakashi does, Kakashi and Tobi only uses Space warping/manipulation jutsus, so Tobi might not be an Uchiha but like i said on the other thread that Kakashi/Rin/Obito are still kids when the 4th hokage fight against Tobi so another possibility is that Tobi is i do not know, Tobi is really NoOne that do not have a backstory yet |
2012-07-18, 23:06 | Link #63 |
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For what motivation could Obito possibly have for taking up Madara's identity and God-level powers to travel the nations for a chakra collection in a plot to end the world as everyone knows it? If no sufficient answer can be created from that postulation, then substitute instances of "Obito" with "Rin", if not for the search of an answer, but for amusement instead..
But this is all too trifling...Let us take a moment to mourn the important and now-confirmed losses of Atsui and Samui, sealed in the Benihisago never to be extracted, and eaten by the Gedou Mazou, collateral damage in the imperfect revival of the Juubi...May they be briefly remembered, and then forgotten again... And still, the end of the world as they know it looms over as the apocalypse is about to be revived; Meanwhile next door, Sasuke and Orochimaru prepare to go on a stroll, while the Five Kage vs. Madara-independent scene is at a zero-sum stand-still...Because of the other two plot lines having just started themselves, I cynically don't believe the Juubi revival line will advance too far...None-the-less, it's getting dark in here...
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2012-07-18, 23:39 | Link #66 | ||
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For some reason the time traveling Sasuke theory is at the top of my list right now of who is Obito.
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We're getting trolled. One has to wonder how long the ten tails has to be revived before Tobi's plan is activated. I'm assuming he won't have to be out too long for it too happen. And he got way over-hyped in this chapter as some incredible being that nobody alive has any chance of stopping. So chances are there will be no need to as Naruto is going to somehow defeat Tobi and stop it from happening. Last edited by Hunter; 2012-07-19 at 07:25. |
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2012-07-18, 23:56 | Link #68 | |||||
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As for the theory being boring, i think this is a relative and personal thing. Some might think it is boring and some think of it as not. It's just a personal thing imo. As difference in power, i don't think he is as powerful as every one make him to be. He is powerful, he is very strong. But imo he is no where as powerful as let's say Madara. He gains his power through his eyes. His personality could have changed due to circumstances. He disagrees with the whole system of Shinobi world the same way as Obito did. There are a lot of similarities imo. As his amount of knowledge i have to agree it hasn't fully been explained why. It could have something to do with his eye power or maybe even Zetsu. Also just a theory, if he is indeed Obito, maybe he can see through kakashi's Sharingan? I mean Orichimaru could see through Anko when he was resurrected so i think that is a possibility. Finally the chronological inconsistencies ( could some times be called loop holes) could be explained later on. With Long anime/manga like Naruto, bleach, One piece, ... there are bound to be some inconsistencies. Some get explained and some don't. But i agree with you there are some that would make you think twice before agreeing with the Obit=Tobi theory. One would be that he claimed to have given Nagato the eyes and we know Nagato got the eyes when he was just a kid, many many years ago. Also i think he claimed he fought against the first hokage ( correct me if i am wrong). So yes here are two inconsistencies. But they can always be explained in future. I couldn't probably have said it better myself Quote:
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As for Rin it is a possibilty. Who else beside Obito know so much about Kakashi? My guess would be Rin. Rin also loved Kakashi. So it would make sense for her to know as much about Kakashi ( if not more) than Obito. As for Rin is a girl and Tobi sounds like a guy, i would like you direct you to Third hokage vs Orichimaru fight. Remeber when Orochimaru took his mask off and started to talk as a woman? There are also some hints that Orochimaru and Tobi have some connection with each other ( which we don't know fully about yet). As i mentioned earlier in post Maybe if tobi is obito he could have seen everything through Kakashi's eyes ( his former eyes). Also the way tobi said that "there is no wonder you have lived your life with full of regret" to Kakashi, it seemed as if he has known everything about Kakashi until now. It didn't seem like he was just talking about the past. Quote:
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I am personally trying to just stop reading the Manga and go back to anime only. Naruto is much more enjoyable for me to watch than read. Manga is great and all but doesn't have the Back ground music, animation, ... . Let's see what happens next week. I might be back for the next chapter or just stop reading it.
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2012-07-19, 00:40 | Link #71 |
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I went through the Naruto character biographies here (not sure if that includes everyone though, anybody got a better source?) and I'd have to say I'm no closer to getting at who Tobi is. Nobody fresh comes to mind. Infact im starting to think we've never see this character before.
Although one thing i did notice was Shisui's appearance being eerily similar to that of the sages elder son. So that shall be my flavour of the month for my Tobi = theories. Last edited by solidguy; 2012-07-19 at 01:05. |
2012-07-19, 03:12 | Link #72 |
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I still think it would be best if he turned out to be no one we know (yet) at all. Someone on the sidelines who hasn't been in the spotlight at all. That he was originally from konoha, well I don't think anyone doubted THAT.
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I think the reason Tobi started this war is because he wanted the five countries to be united....
which means Tobi is a Good guy,, remember, Zetsu said that Tobi is a Good Boy!!! Quote:
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I think its stupid to hide tobi's face to the readers if he is someone we dont know. I am 99% sure that TObi is already someone we know, i do think he is using Obito's body though
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as for why kishi doesn't show his face, other authors do that too. they would keep some characters hidden in the shadows to add drama to the story. it gives them more opportunities to create twists and surprise their readers.
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2012-07-19, 06:30 | Link #76 |
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If you think about it, Chidori vs. Rasengan ended in a draw.
Here we see Tobi owning Rasengan with his back-scratcher, now I know why Madara was carrying it around back in the day... It just looked so weird and random, until it owned Rasengan.
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2012-07-19, 06:49 | Link #77 |
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wasn't that back-scratcher also one of the Rikkudo Sage's playthings? If that's the case it ain't so much Tobi owning the Rasengan but rather the hax toy being impervious ... *tries imagining Tobi playing Bijou bomb tennis with the thing* - It is somewhat ridiculous admitteldy
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2012-07-19, 07:52 | Link #80 |
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You haven't disagreed with anything I've said, you've only provided your ideas about how to explain the inconsistencies I raised. I didn't go into that in the first place, I was merely summarizing the basics of the argument to Dengar.
Now I do disagree with your opinion on many points and I could go into that if you wish to discuss this further (though the who is Tobi thread is a better place for that). Personally my new pet theory is that Tobi is some kind of Zetsu offset, a mish mash of the personalities of dead shinobi that Zetsu ate. Hence his ridiculous amount of knowledge spanning generations, his weird body, his personality all over the place, the fact that he call himself No one and his desire to end individuality. |
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