(L) Magi - Labyrinth of Magic [manga]

[Rainrir]

Originally Posted by CBredbeard

She's excited to be with him. They all are hanging off of him to one degree or another. They're pretty much members of the Alibaba Fanclub.

Already shaping up to be a pretty good arc. No Aladdin. This'll be the first time Morgiana and Alibaba have gone an adventure together without Aladdin. Of course, Toto and the Pirate Kids are tagging along and the hijinks that will ensue are sure to entertain. Part of me was disappointed that they wouldn't have some alone time together, but this'll be fun to.

Somehow Morgiana is still 15? I know she was 14 at the start of the manga, but it's been more than 2 years since then. There was the skip between the beginning and the Balbaad arc. Then there was the skip afterward. That's an entire year. It's probably been closer to 2 years since the group captured their 2nd dungeon. Morgiana would be close to being 17 by now, but she's still 15?

Not that I mind the idea that Morgiana still has some growing to do, but I wonder if the mangaka has been made to reign in her time-skips a bit. Certainly tacking 6 months onto the end of every arc is unnecessary. Alot can happen even in a single month, nevermind half a year.

I am rather disgusted that Aladdin is given Mogamett's staff and that the loss of Granny's staff wasn't even mentioned. The sheer irony of him losing the staff like he did after the lesson he'd learned from her and the Koga tribe...Aladdin wasn't even that close to the Chancellor, while Granny was his surrogate grandmother!

It wasn't a simple piece of wood that had been destroyed. It was a deeply sentimental keepsake from a dear friend. Practically family. She was the complete opposite to Mogamett and no mind is paid to her whatsoever, despite being a far wiser and stronger character.

To explain what I mean, Granny taught Aladdin that letting go of your pride is an acceptable thing to do. She insisted that the tribe take the stance to not resort to violence, no matter how justified no matter how angry because doing so would destroy them. Family came first and if survival meant giving up their way of life and following another kingdom, it was the thing to do.

And what does Aladdin do? He fights for Magnostadt's pride. He fights for their anger. In the process, the staff is destroyed. He had completely forgotten the lesson he'd learned and fittingly he lost the connection to his dear departed friend.

I hope Aladdin falls into depravity and has to be put down like a dog, just like Mogamett.

...Anyway, good start to the new arc. I get the feeling that Morgiana's and Alibaba's relationship will advance some.

Feels like irrational dislike of Aladdin, which cause this one to selectively reading of events and totally misrepresent character motivations. I expect this one to drop the manga in a year's time whern Aladdin again becomes a focus.

Morganmett is important to Aladdin, but not because of the reasons you mentioned ("Magician/Magoshuatt Pride"). Aladdin also mentioned old man Morgan "felt" like Granny because he was very, very kind to him and Titus (but only to magicians as he found out later). Thus, in a way, Morganmett's treatment of Aladdin specifically, somewhat touched Aladdin like Granny did. However, Aladdin was opposed to what Morgan was doing to non-magicians THROUGHOUT the arc despite that, therefore you cannot say Aladdin brought Morgan's world view totally. In the end, Morgan make huge mistakes and caused great suffereing. That does not mean that whatever "good" side of Morgan, which Aladdin saw and experienced first hand, is necessarily invalid or become elicpsed in his heart by his terrible mistakes.

Morgan is important to Aladdin for more than just his "positive traits" as well. This is especially true considering he knew what happened at Alma Toran. Morgan's mistakes and subsequent sincere regret is important for Aladdin to develop a personal stake to preventing a repeat of Alma Toran, as he only knows Alma Toran from what Ugo showed him (and not actually lived it himself). Morgan also showed Aladdin that you don't have to be a psychopath/hate everyone to cause hell on earth, sometimes even just "unequal love" will cause that. Read the manga again, especially when they entered the medium.

If Granny showed Aladdin the rejection of hate can stop tragedies, Morgan showed Aladdin that unequal love can cause tragedIes. There is no reason for one to eclipse the other in Aladdin's worldview. Aladdin was plenty distaught when Mu shattered Granny's staff. Though the HUGE WAR around did not give him too much time to build a grave and cry and whatever you want him to do to show it is significant to him, he had shown many times that Granny's staff is importrant to him elsewhere, so my opinion is that we don't need to go back there again. The inheriting of Morgan's staff doesn't even mean that what Granny taught Aladdin is "rejected" or "forgotten", funny you should draw such a conclusion. Not to mention the staff's final meaning is basically the chancellor's final message, which is to find a way to save all the people that had fallen into the black rukh and died. I can't see why you see the staff's meaning as anything else.

There is also no indication of any age bloopers in this character. Ohtaka's omake pages specifically mentioned Morgiana's physical changes now that she is older (by about 2 years).

[Kanon]

Kind of disappointed Aladdin got sidelined but I guess it's not a bad thing to focus on the other characters once in a while. Glad Mor is part of the expedition. She can watch over her husbando Alibaba.

[ellifeedn]

I'm not sure I'm looking at it right, but why is Mor is copping a feel on Toto?

[Breimoon]

finally we get some focus on Alibaba. Let's just hope Mor will not get kidnapped by her stalking prince and it becomes a rescuing arc.

[CBredbeard]

Originally Posted by Kurangceret

He never fight for Magnostadt's pride, he simply fight in order to prevent more people dying.
He even goes as far as just driving the Reim's army away with sand and try to lower their morale. (So that they will not battle further, while the Magnostadt's Magician try to kill them in the war)

Aladdin also did not participate at the beginning of the war (he decided to participate only when things get worse), thus I think you are twisting the story by your own mind set.

Also, I don't know why you should mention granny's arc on it.

He did though. He even says that the magicians' anger and pride is so very important, and has to be protected. And if he were really interested in saving lives and protecting the world, he would have destroyed Magnostadt's defenses and allowed Reim to take them over. His bias towards his new family compelled him to protect and side with them.

It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the fact that the story is pretending that Reim is somehow wrong to be doing what they're doing and that Aladdin is completely right and not biased whatsoever, acting only in the best interests of everyone is extremely aggravating. Aladdin is not divested of personal attachments and the manga shouldn't pretend that he isn't. But it does and as a result he's flawless and perfect and doesn't make mistakes. If he fails for any reason it's because he's not all-powerful.

And if there's anything to learn from the Magnostadt arc, it's that hatred overrides love. If Mogamett really loved his magicians, he wouldn't have put them into harm's way like he did, but because of his enormous ego, he flat out refused any offer put to him. He didn't present alternatives. He didn't say he'd clean up his act as far as how he treated neighboring countries. His way was the right way no matter what and no dirty goi was going to talk him down.

And Aladdin enabled him. The magicians' anger, hatred, and pride was Aladdin's foremost concern. He didn't care what they had done or what they were doing. He didn't care about Reim's dog in the fight. All he cared about was babying Magnostadt.

Magnostadt and the Kouga tribe had faced the same exact situation, but rather than take what he had learned to heart in the latter, he completely disregards it because he suddenly has a god complex because of all the new power he's gained since then and that he simply likes Magnostadt better than Reim. Worst of all, he doesn't act like this is the case. He pretends to be above at all, that he's doing what is best for the world.

It was sickening.

And don't compare Mogamett to Granny. She's light-years ahead of him. If anything, his parallel was the young Kouga tribesman who's wife was cut. Full of anger, strong and powerful, placed in a position to set things right with his own strength, yet one of them restrains himself for the sake of the tribe, while the other one tries to destroy the world.

[MAX_COLA_POWER!]

Yeah I can see many cute pics of Mor being made out of 201^^;;.

[hawkeyesvn]

The new chapter is fun, it seems like Mor is slowly getting rid of her inferior complex . And Kouen is playing a smart move by requesting Alibaba as his escort at Balbadd. He's trying to gain good PR image by using Balbadd' hero - Alibaba.

The last page kinda confirm Alibaba's future household vessels. Of course, he will need more than just Amon to reach the level of Sindbad ( or Kouen at least ).

Originally Posted by Rainrir

Feels like irrational dislike of Aladdin, which cause this one to selectively reading of events and totally misrepresent character motivations. I expect this one to drop the manga in a year's time when Aladdin again becomes a focus.

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That's just his standard post: bashing Aladdin ( he's a bad character and everything he do is bad...blah blah...) and any page used for Morgiana is wasted. If any of you have ever visited the Magi thread in Narutoforums.com then you may realized how much he sound just like the guy called "Wesley" - Luckily, ppl of that site treat that guy as a troll now and ignore him.

[CBredbeard]

Alibaba will never be on Sinbad's and En's level. There's a certain amount of talent and ability you're born with. It can't be trained and it can't be taught. Alibaba did end up with an odd way around that hurdle but it involved being absorbed by a black djinn who also just so happened to be his best friend. If what amounted to a freak accident hadn't happened, Alibaba would be weaker than every other metal vessel user in the series, aside from Hakuei.

As he is now, he's probably better than everyone aside from Sinbad, En, and maybe Mu.

Bottom-line, he's never going to get to Sinbad's level. It's impossible and it frankly doesn't matter. The best thing about Alibaba is Alibaba. Not how many magical items he has or who he can beat in a fight.

[Rainrir]

Infer what is going on yeself

[Sixth]

Despite that Aladdin supposedly to be powerful after a time-skip, but he definitely doesn't give me the impression that he was stronger than Alibaba (Bankai Mode). I mean, during the "Medium" fight, I can't remember what had he contributed in that battle.

[Awrya]

I thought it was explained pretty well in 83, by focusing and amplifying one type of magic, a metal vessel achieves a single great offensive power, whereas magicians fight based on attributes and their own specialization.
If a metal vessel's normal offensive ability (no extreme magic) has a value of 100, Aladdin's Halharl Infigar would have a value like 40, with his first type magic being the highest point of a bell shaped normal distribution.
Becoming stronger as a magician is about knowing and learning about magic, if Aladdin after Magnostadt would fight his past self before Magnostadt, the current Aladdin would win 10 out of 10.

True that Aladdin didn't fight, though I remember him using Harharl Infigar once or so, my guess is he mostly supported Kouen and Alibaba off screen, since those two weren't all that exhausted before Sinbad&co arrived. But it could have been due to the volcano.
His and Yunan's role was to gather the metal vessel users, without Aladdin the world would have ended around 187, without Yunan 194 would have been the end. In the end, even the metal vessel users with their great offensive power were only buying time until Mogamett hesitated enough for Aladdin to go into the medium.

[hawkeyesvn]

Originally Posted by Rainrir

Infer what is going on yeself

I assumed that is Kouen ? If so, he need to update his data. Aladdin doesn't have any interest in candy and ballooons. What Kouen needs for bribing is a harem of beautiful buxom women

[CBredbeard]

Aladdin didn't have a staff.

[Avaricia]

Spoiler for 202:

Toto and Olba = Couple?

*facepalm*

[marvelB]

Spoiler for 202:

Somehow, I'm not all that surprised about the new couple..... I guess the trolling from a couple chapters ago had to do with it, heh.


But on a brighter note, it's really neat to learn that Alibaba gained more household vessel users by his side!

[konart]

Spoiler for 202 final question:

>question: try to completely describe alibaba’s mental state in less than 30 characters.

lol, indeed.

[Awrya]

New Sinbad chapter, quoting myself:

Originally Posted by Awrya

Can't help but wonder if it really was a smart idea to sail out with that small boat?

Predictable.

He's a bit too young to be the Imuchackk chief, could he be Hinahoho, one of Sinbad's eight generals?

Why do I feel the "beautiful women" he want's to propose to will have a body like Elizabeth or Magaret, the hostess Alibaba keeps getting?

Jafar also makes an appearance at the end.

[hawkeyesvn]

On the Sindbad's new chapter, we now have hard proof that he has always been a chivalrous pervert ( try to court a muscular 13yo girl as well as a princess with bad attitude ) . I think this big guy is probably Hinahoho or the future chief of Imuchak tribe.

And Jafar made his appearance with his organization - totally not "Hashashin" . Anyone know what "Sham lash" means in Arabic ?

[ChampDream]

my reaction to the new chapter of Sinbad manga was, Hinahoho is that you? and Jafar finally appear
so I'm guessing the assassins have the order to kill Drakon after killing Sinbad

[marvelB]

Geez, I kinda have to question Sinbad's morals even further for trying to hook up with a 13-year old girl, no matter how tall or developed her body may be!