2012-11-30, 15:18 | Link #101 | |
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Haki allows the user to attack a logia. As how it exactly works i think Oda hasn't given us a 100 percent answer but so far i am guessing is that either you can hit the main body or penetrate the logia defense. These two are different. Being able to just hit it means the logia doesn't provide any defense against Haki. But if Haki penetrates the Logia defense then that would mean Logia does provide some line defense against Haki. I am going with the latter personally but there are imo evidence in favor of both theories. I also think there might be a way to use Haki as a logia user against Haki. Example would be Akainu vs Marco/Vista as Blackbeard already mentioned. But although i am going with the theory that he used Haki to defend, there is a chance that maybe he used his Logia power ( maybe you can master/train your logia power) or even a combination of these two. --- As for Paramecia Imo they are just their elements. Basically Luffy is a rubber man. He is a rubber. His body is already a rubber so he doesn't really need to change his body to rubber. Same with the Magellan or Mr 3. Against Luffy thunder doesn't work because he is a rubber. In the same way you can't cut Buggy. But overall i think Paramecia are more of a case by case thing. Oda does have a general rule for these stuff but at times( you guys can agree or disagree) he has taken the liberty of making exceptions thus the case by case thing. Plot wise he is very consistent and his foreshadowing is imo exceptional. But in terms of DF/Haki relationship, ... he hasn't been as consistent.
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2012-11-30, 18:13 | Link #102 | |
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Cristiano Ronaldo and Filipe Teixeira used to be equals.. playing in the national team.Does that mean anything? Get outta here you troll.
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2012-11-30, 20:04 | Link #103 |
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Speaking of Buggy and haki, I've been saying this since the Impel Down chapters, but I'm fairly confident that even before the skip our clown buddy was capable of using CoA. Mainly, I'm thinking that was what he used to power up his bombs. Not to say that makes him comparable to world-class powers (after all, Mihawk swatted one of his own bombs back at him in Marineford), but what I was mainly getting at is that he wouldn't be totally helpless in a fight, even in the New World. After all, he's gonna become the Pirate God, anyway.
Going back on topic..... I'm WAY late on saying this, but I found it amusing how Law mocked Vergo by finally addressing him in a respectful manner (adding the "san" to his name, I mean). Also, I thought it was interesting how Dofla said that Law used to fear Vergo in the past. This makes me wonder if our supernova friend will eventually get his own flashback of his past with Dofla's crew before marching off to his final battle with him? I mean, even if he doesn't join the Straw-Hats, I can at least see Luffy helping him deal with whatever skeleton he has in his closet so they can further solidify their alliance..... |
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For post time skip, i think Oda could either keep him the same way for comedy relief ( weak but act tough *_* ), or he could actually be much stronger. I think he has much potential but he is just too lazy and only cares for treasure. Now that he is being admired i can see him actually stepping up and getting strong. But who knows .
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2012-11-30, 22:20 | Link #105 |
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All this talk of Haki and Devil Fruit powers eh?
Well in my opinion, I think its based on the users power or how well trained their powers or having a natural element of weakness (eg. magma stronger than fire? or Rubber more durable to Lighting? etc) and seastone cuffs of course. It is safe to assume that now the straw hats are in the New World, we as readers are gonna get exposed to a lot of characters who possess haki since there are a lot strong people in the world and since it is also know as the strongest sea of all, right? But more than that, I think a lot of devil fruit users are combining the use of haki with their DF ability (especially the most experienced ones) since the combination of it will only enhance their offensive and defensive like so. For example, Marco along with Vista (Vista doesn't have DF as far as it is known) attacking Akainu and etc. Also I think it depends greatly on how well developed it is as stated above because since every strong opponent possesses some level or attribute of haki, the challenger or user has to have just as much if not more Haki than their opponent in order to contend with them (like Admirals or Emperors). As for the Law cutting Vergo along with the laboratory, as said it before that plot wise Law had a score to settle with Vergo personally, meaning he was determined to end it no matter what I guess, that why Law put more effort into that attack. Also it is fair to say that Law's level of haki and DF power has developed greatly, that probably Vergo and most certainly Doflamingo underestimated Law. Any comments. |
2012-11-30, 23:52 | Link #106 | |
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and yes we can say that he put other things that don't fit to Logia and Zoan type into paramecia
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2012-12-01, 00:12 | Link #107 | ||
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I'm pretty sure Buggy knows about Haki being with Roger and all, but it's up to him if he knows how to use it. I wouldn't look into the Mihawk thing that much, not like Buggy and his new crew were fighting the marines/shichibukai. All they did was just taking up space by not fighting. Buggy was planning to go after WB but we saw how that turned out.. |
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2012-12-01, 00:35 | Link #108 |
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^Buggy being equal to Shanks when they were 9 doesn't really mean anything beyond the fact that they were equal when they were 9. Trying to somehow draw a comparison based on that fact makes little to no sense.
As for knowing Haki from Roger...well, Buggy is a bit of an idiot: clever, but stupid. I find it unlikely that he knew anything of Roger (or Rayleigh's) abilities beyond their physical prowess (or if he did know, it was vague and not useful until recently). Buggy is funny and cool, but he is not the physical presence Shanks or even Luffy are. Rather, he is deceitful and opportunistic, running often, but fighting when he has to (which is rare). If he ever does become a Pirate God, it will only be because he is the Mr. Satan of the series (i.e. he will be in the right place at the right time and people will decide he is amazing even if he did little to nothing). And honestly, that is cool and funny as hell. |
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2012-12-01, 06:41 | Link #112 |
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Anyway, Buggy will return, and he will be a contender... in a way. He just has a certain... knack for being in the right place at the right time. He also may be more cunning than people give him credit for. Finally, his ability is among the more versatile among paramecia users that can't really be measured by "power level". I mean, not only can he split himself apart, but he can make any of the split parts other than his feet fly. For one, Law would be completely useless against Buggy. |
2012-12-01, 17:23 | Link #115 | |
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But Buggy has the Emergency Escape maneuver that should enable him to dodge Law's deadlier moves! So see, even that big-shot super rookie stands no chance against the Pirate God! But on a more serious and on-topic note, I wonder if Law can actually split himself apart with his power, as well? We know he can at least use Mes on himself since he lacked a heart since his introduction this storyline up until this very chapter, but can he Shamble himself up? If so, I guess that would make Buggy's power kinda redundant in comparison, wouldn't it....? |
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2012-12-01, 21:58 | Link #116 |
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I think he probably could, but Buggy's power is instinctive and automatic while if Law wanted to split himself he would have to will it. In that sense, Buggy's power can be used for defense against a swordsman (which is it's main function), whilst Law's would be less effective in terms of defense.
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