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2011-03-03, 09:32 | Link #2243 |
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I'm all for people deserving second chances, however in fiction an author would send the wrong message here by redeeming Shou's ex bf, especially as a female author of a work that's targeted at a teenage readership. That'd be just wrong. It would be ok if Shou forgave him but they just stay friends - anything farther than that is definite premium facepalm material.
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2011-03-03, 09:47 | Link #2244 | |
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@Mughi: Ah, thanks. I still can't get in and still no response from the message I sent. I've been on that site for over 2 years and really enjoy the community, so it sucks that I can't chat with my fellow forum goers. :\
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2011-03-03, 10:13 | Link #2245 |
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I'm not so sure about the Kento and Shou thing. If Shou goes back to him, it would appear to ME that sometimes people continue to make the same mistakes in life over and over without advancing emotionally, and be in stark contrast to Utsumi who is TRYING DESPARATELY to grow. We see this happen all of the time in relationships, particularly to girls who lack self confidence as Shou has exhibited. They keep going back to "the bad boy" while lamenting that they aren't going out with "someone nice like you..." It would be sad because it makes Shou a sacrificial lamb to make a point, but I think its a good point to make.
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2011-03-03, 16:15 | Link #2246 | |
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I agree, it just sends a bad message to the readers. You can be a cheating douche bag, and still get the girl in the end. It would be very distasteful if the mangaka has Shou get back with Kento |
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2011-03-03, 16:39 | Link #2247 |
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Especially if the guy who was dead loyal to the girl he liked DOESN'T get her. It's like saying: girls do like bad boys who care nothing for a girl's feelings, and good guys only have their hand to play with. I swear, if this is what happens, I will condemn this manga for being offensive and drop it.
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2011-03-04, 09:17 | Link #2248 | ||
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I'm not that naive to entertain the thought all douchebags get the good girls, but it's not like it never happens; rather, it happens pretty often so I'd kinda understand if it happened. I'd still be highly upset if she took back Kento though.
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2011-03-04, 09:27 | Link #2249 | |
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- Good guys would do anything to make the girl feel good and happy about themselves but are too insecure to bring it out and end up making fool of themselves. - Bad guys who do nothing to make the girl feel good and happy about themselves except for the sex and are so overconfident in their ability that they're like magnets for girls. I really don't like that at all because the author is not just making stereotypes but she's also lowering herself as a writer and a person. |
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2011-03-04, 09:32 | Link #2250 |
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I'm guessing we're all goody two shoes guys here reminiscing about how that that biker dude chewing tobacco and flipping his switchblade stole our prom dates?
Eh I guess I do commiserate with the feeling. Happened to me once already.
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2011-03-04, 09:40 | Link #2251 | |
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Anyways, I'll stop there because this is more to do with the dating thread. Bottom-line is, I'm dropping this manga if this sort of thing happens here. I'm already expecting Kento to go back with Shou, but I will drop this series entirely if Yuki breaks it off with Utsumi for whatever reason. I also don't like how Eri tried to get on with a douchebag herself and tried to do what she could to meet his twisted standards. Remember him? The guy who doesn't like virgins? I think the author's been sending out a clear message from the very beginning. Risa was so right, Utsumi would not be happy with Yuki when Yuki has such twisted preferences. The funny thing is that the author her is also implying that nice girls who like nice guys can't be happy either cuz all guys can be jerks even when they're nice |
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2011-03-04, 11:25 | Link #2252 | |
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In such case author is not lowering herself. She is just being realistic becaus ethats how real life runs. Good guys always come the last when there is a bad guy in the competition. Don't know why myself but it happens like this all the time. There are few exceptions where good guy comes first but usually its the bad guy that is the first choice. |
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2011-03-04, 12:42 | Link #2253 | |
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2011-03-04, 13:31 | Link #2254 | |
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I mean in real life you can see wives or girlfriend get hurt by bad guys (alcohol or other stuff) and after suffering a while they break free start living happy independant life but then those shitheads return begging for forgiveness and nine times out of the ten they come back to that very same mess. I just don't get why, but it does happen very often in real life. |
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2011-03-04, 13:42 | Link #2255 | |
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Utsumi had his quality but at that point I didn't fault shou for her choosing her senpai. plus he had already left his girlfriend at that point so everything looked sincere either way. And yes, I have a firm grasp of reality althoughat the same time it still an fictional story where it depends on what the author wants, at least I can see it somewhat catering towards her readers without the random plot twist. Mostly I would say it's a case by case since while the female do fall for the badass archtype but the male isn't that replusive enough ignore them in certain circumstances. And that slap she gave him made it look like she gave her final answer on that relationship. By the way if look at these abuse cases in real life because there wasn't another person he/she could feel secure with. In this case Utsumi is her alternative, and from here I'm going to disregard the shoujo style of writing that implies this BS in most cases. Last edited by Nemuru; 2011-03-04 at 13:52. |
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2011-03-04, 13:50 | Link #2256 | |
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2011-03-04, 14:00 | Link #2257 | |
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Of course my eye sight could be bad, so maybe you can point me to a chapter? EDIT, spelling grammar lol..... I'm always editing stuff |
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2011-03-04, 15:42 | Link #2258 |
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As I recall that wasn't the actual guy, but his best friend. Eri thought since he felt that way, the guy she liked would also feel the same.
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2011-03-05, 10:32 | Link #2260 |
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It is actual nature at work. Females will come into heat and be preferential to the male that exhibits the greatest strength and leadership in order to carry forward the strongest genes for the species. Natural selection... Sadly, "good guys" are actually "less male" than their "bad boy" counterparts and thus appear to carry weak genetics. Human awareness and value over behaviors beyond pure mating ritual complicates the matter of paring. That and the sociological requirement of mating for life through marriage forces the choice to be scrutinized more. In the animal kingdom, females may take multiple partners in a season, with preference towards the most aggressive. (some species may vary. )
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