Gambling Apocalypse Kaiji season 2

[Kyuu]

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

First 18 minutes of this episode were great, then it was kinda meh, but once the sunglasses dude says to not tell the boss about that suggests that generosity still exists in this world and Kaiji, while without money, can cherish the value of freedom with those that suffered with him.Hopefully this time he learns.

Good series, while too stretched out in parts, manages to be entertaining. And dat soundtrack is top 3 of the year. 8/10 for the whole thing.

And there's a pic of Akagi at the end. Yay!

Ha. I didn't notice Akagi.... XD

Anyways. Nope. Kaiji ain't gonna learn his lesson. Endoh speculated that, and I agree with him. Nevertheless, that "naive" sense of his ... that has been his strength. Without it, he never would have climbed out of "hell" and gathered the resources to fight the bog.

[Hiroi Sekai]

Originally Posted by Sol Falling

Spoiler for episode:

Nah, I wasn't talking about the contract with Endou, actually. What I was really referring to was him pissing away his last $6000 on pachinko.

Even if Endou's portrayal is realistic, I can't imagine many loan sharks manage to cheat their way into becoming freakin' millionaires overnight. That's a shitload of money, dang. It's a bit tough for me to swallow if Endou really manages to get away scot free with it.

As far as further seasons, yeah some of the manga readers mentioned earlier in this thread that there were several arks of further material. Based on that I am assuming we will get more Kaiji, though of course I am aware that further source material doesn't guarantee anything.

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Ah I see, my mistake. And by the way, the whole sleazy loan shark description was just a generality. In the darkest of times when all hope is lost, there will still be greed upon the world. Look back- if Kaiji lost, Endou would have been screwed. But still, he was thinking ahead. In real life everyone doesn't win millions at Pachinko, yes. But the same basic principle stands- most loan sharks will push terms on desperate people and they'll have almost no chance to pay it back with the ridiculous interest. Look back at the first episode of the first season, after all. And also, as Endou said, that money was his right. With a legal documentation signed by the donor and the receiver, he is legally entitled to that 127 million yen.

For future Kaiji, I had already read ahead in the manga after reading the Pachinko arc and without spoiling too much, I can say it involves a special kind of Mahjong. Looks like the creator missed his Akagi roots.

Addendum: Did anyone else notice that when Kaiji asked for Ishida to be freed, he said that Koji (father Ishida) had asked Kaiji to use the 10 million yen voucher to save his son, and that was why he was asking for his release? If I remember correctly, Koji wanted Kaiji to use the voucher to free his wife who was stuck in a pachinko parlor due to a debt.

Also, I felt as if this episode seemed somewhat rushed. It's the ending yes, and I can accept that. However, if you read the manga version of this part, then you'll notice key points that portray the emotions and important dialogue of some of the main characters. A strong example of what I mean is the very last part of this episode. It was nice to have that reminiscent opening from the first season end things off, but it cut off one of the most powerful conversations this section offered. In the manga, the 45ers and Ishida are told to scram, and they immediately go to the restaurant to party. Kaiji receives the 30,000 yen and meets them inside the restaurant. There, Ishida kneels and in tears, he promises that he'll never be in debt again. Afterwards, the 45ers all agree to work hard for what they want and grab their success with their own blood, sweat and tears. I felt that blocking this message out with the music was a loss. Perhaps the music could've played as Kaiji joyfully ran towards his friends, and as he nears them, the music stops and that scene plays out.

Don't mind my ranting though, just a thought I had. Great series overall, gave it a 9/10, which I rarely do.

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by Kyuu

Ha. I didn't notice Akagi.... XD

Anyways. Nope. Kaiji ain't gonna learn his lesson. Endoh speculated that, and I agree with him. Nevertheless, that "naive" sense of his ... that has been his strength. Without it, he never would have climbed out of "hell" and gathered the resources to fight the bog.

Nah. Kaiji's been growing into a stronger human being. Before, he was a pitiful wreck that just cried and blamed the other side. He still does it, but he's learning slowly.

Season 1 Kaiji would have never survived the Bog.

[fertygo]

Damn that ending is so goddamn satisfying, I can't help to smiling for their happiness...

Let see if we can got the S3.

Btw can we have moar Akagi plz? or at least the OVA of Ten?

Particularly about...

Spoiler for Warning heavy spoiler:

The last moment of Akagi's

[Kanon]

AENNNNDOOOOOOOOOUUUU!!! Christ, what a shark! His share was more than enough for him to spend the rest of his life in luxury, but noooo, he just had to get more by ripping off his savior. That said, Kaiji should have never signed this contract without reading it first. Story of his life, I guess. A simple signature is what put him in this mess in the first place. Is he ever going to learn? We can only hope.

Kaiji still going through with freeing his mates even after losing most of his money makes him all the more admirable. Most people would have kept the remaining money for themselves. He may be penniless, but he has a heart of gold. Sadly, it's not worth much in our world.

It's amazing how Kaiji went from multimillionaire to hobo in less than 24 hours. I can't believe he wasted the rest of his money on pachinko. What's wrong with him?! He looked so pathetic when he was telling his story to the black suit, and yet... SO MOE

Ah well, although all this happened, this season ended on a uplifting note. Kaiji's finally free! Question is: what will he do with this freedom? Nothing good, I'm sure... even though he's almost saint, he's also a lazy bastard who only wishes to use shortcuts.

Originally Posted by fertygo

Damn that ending is so goddamn satisfying, I can't help to smiling for their happiness...

Let see if we can got the S3.

Btw can we have moar Akagi plz? or at least the OVA of Ten?

Particularly about...

Spoiler for Warning heavy spoiler:

The last moment of Akagi's

Akagi's still stuck in Washizu's mansion, so they can't make a second season. A Ten anime would be amazing though. I'll cry like a Kaiji if I see the final volume animated.

[fertygo]

Originally Posted by Kanon

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Akagi's still stuck in Washizu's mansion, so they can't make a second season. A Ten anime would be amazing though. I'll cry like a Kaiji if I see the final volume animated.

Yeah I know, but goddamn there's about 15+ vol after the anime ending event.. that's more than one season material, there's must stop point somewhere.

And yeah the adaptation of 3 last volume of Ten would be awesome, Akagi's by far still the best personality that FKMT ever created.

Btw back to Kaiji, I hope we got season 3 and the LA got the sequel too, like it or not, Kaiji's anime existence right now is to promote the LA. And big chance the possibility of another sequel of anime its depends of it.

[Battler-kun]

Well, really nice episode.

But Kaiji is Kaiji....someone who wasted his potential, which will only glimpse through the dark when Kaiji is in absolute danger.

[Klashikari]

Was I the only one being utterly disturbed by the voice actor of that black suit dude?
Something was already odd at times during the second season with the grunt voices, but this time, it is a complete mismatch compared to the body frame etc

[Hiroi Sekai]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Was I the only one being utterly disturbed by the voice actor of that black suit dude?
Something was already odd at times during the second season with the grunt voices, but this time, it is a complete mismatch compared to the body frame etc

Yeah, the whole thing seemed like some kind of subtle joke from the producers or something.

Perhaps they were going for a not-so-gruff voice so when he shows compassion for Kaiji at the end, he seemed like a nice guy. Up until this point they've all been portrayed as sleazy, greedy cheapskates.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by fertygo

Yeah I know, but goddamn there's about 15+ vol after the anime ending event.. that's more than one season material, there's must stop point somewhere.

Even if there is a stopping point (I have no clue), it's not a very good idea to make another season of Akagi before this arc -and the series at the same time, I asume- ends. Watching a continuation of Akagi and Washizu's match for 13+ episodes only for it to end with a "to be continued" would be frustrating. The first season's inconclusive ending already left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, no need to add to it.

It's not like there's a shortage of Fukumoto works to adapt into anime anyway.

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Was I the only one being utterly disturbed by the voice actor of that black suit dude?
Something was already odd at times during the second season with the grunt voices, but this time, it is a complete mismatch compared to the body frame etc

No, you're not the only one. It's not just that is voice didn't match the character, he sounded a bit weird too, as if he wasn't used to seiyuu work.

As a side note, I was distracted by his dicknose.

[Archon_Wing]

He was a different kind of grunt, probably one that is a bit more kinder and laid back, though still a jackass compared to the rest. That being said, it wasn't that great but not too awful.

It hammers the point home that Kaiji must have inspired a few souls out there.

[karumofin]

I can hardly believe we all watched the same season...
Frankly I'm pretty disapointed. Don't get me wrong, the season has been pretty entertaining, but exciting it was not, in my view. Season 1 is infinitely superior to season 2.
That being said, I enjoyed the closure that the last episode provided. I don't really expect another season of Kaiji (and even if there was one, it would basically just be 26 episodes of Mahjong anime, yawn) so the fact that you can watch these 52 episodes and it ends with most things tied up is definately nice.

[Soraya21]

^^^^ Gotta agree with this man here. The last episode definitely made for a better finale than the first season did, but as a whole S2 doesn't stack up to S1. Some of the reasons I think why include:

- S2 only having 2 games which needed to stretch out for 26 episodes vs. S1's jam-packed 4
- The games themselves being more about cheating to win at a fixed race rather than outwitting your opponent with psychological warfare like in the RPS & Emperor game. Man vs Man type games definitely preferred
- Luck playing too large a factor in the victory over the Bog
- No sense of lose/ nothing at stake in the Dice game vs S1's more immediate perils: RPS's = ominous gruesome fate, beam walk & E-card = death, lottery = agonizing mutilation/lose of 4 fingers
- Just generally more exciting moments & twists in S1

It was still a fairly good ride regardless, but S2 still left me somewhat disappointed.

[Hiroi Sekai]

I appreciate your views, but it seems to me like you picked up the wrong idea for Kaiji. If you wanted to see a show about a genius who doesn't need to really rely on a lot of luck, you should have watched Akagi. (Oh wait, that's a 20+ episode Mahjong anime! Let's not forget about Saki; it was okay for me but many people liked that as well)

Either way, Kaiji is more about portraying how a human being does things. In desperation we may cheat. Through troubled times we will fight, falter and struggle for victory. If you think about how far Kaiji planned ahead, the only reason he needed so much luck is because Ichijou put up one hell of a defense. I still do agree that S1 was better, but S2 was just below that; picture how much merit something has if it's gone after just 3 or 4 episodes. As people say "dragging it out" this long was actually a point in its favour, I think. You have to admit, the pachinko was quite lucky but the Chinchiro was definitely psychological in the way you'd want. And if we're comparing perils from S1 and S2, then the overall fate would be the same- death. Yes, there were more physically gruesome scenes, but that's not what Kaiji's all about. And let's not forget that Ichijou dug under all 10 of Kaiji's fingernails- the pain from that would have been like no other.

That said, I did enjoy Season 1 more than 2, but I felt that this did the first season no sort of injustice whatsoever. Just my personal opinion.

[LuckyCat]

I thought it was pretty impressive they were able to make a pachinko-based anime work. As far as the manga went, I had thought this one of the weaker arcs, but the anime really brought Ichijo and his casino to life. So credit to the studio for that.

The next series in Kaiji has one of the funniest villains and some great gaming psychology similar to season one. Despite now being a decent ending for the anime, at the quality they're giving these stories, I hope they keep going.

[Archon_Wing]

If I have to wait another 4 years for this... FML.

Anyhow, I guess I'm in the minority, but I actually like season 2 better. There's just something that's awesome about Kaiji's character growth but at the same time he still retains the same flaws that make his character. It makes him; well... human.

[Hiroi Sekai]

Originally Posted by Shiosai

I thought it was pretty impressive they were able to make a pachinko-based anime work. As far as the manga went, I had thought this one of the weaker arcs, but the anime really brought Ichijo and his casino to life. So credit to the studio for that.

The next series in Kaiji has one of the funniest villains and some great gaming psychology similar to season one. Despite now being a decent ending for the anime, at the quality they're giving these stories, I hope they keep going.

Oh man, THAT guy. I can't even begin to imagine the VA they'd give for him. It was quite impressive despite many people complaining that the arcs dragged on too long. Guessed none of them read the manga or can stomach stuff like the Endless Eight. Personally, I love that drawn out crap. :P

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

If I have to wait another 4 years for this... FML.

Anyhow, I guess I'm in the minority, but I actually like season 2 better. There's just something that's awesome about Kaiji's character growth but at the same time he still retains the same flaws that make his character. It makes him; well... human.

Hey, you may be in the minority, but at least it's with a solid point. I'm just a little curious, if you don't mind me questioning a little- Kaiji struggles in S1 and eventually gets greedy and loses. In S2, he struggles, rises and ultimately wins. Not as much as he thought, but a win nonetheless. What part about S2 made you feel he was portrayed better? It's just a thought I'm having about your comment, hopefully you can help:P

And also, I know live action movies generally have a bad air around them, but I kinda enjoyed the first live action Kaiji. Totally ignoring the fact that they made Endou a female (not being sexist, but the character just did NOT work), I'm looking forward to seeing how the upcoming Kaiji 2 movie is going to play out. I really enjoy Tatsuya Fujiwara's acting, and with the idea of seeing real-life versions of the gambles (along with a new one), it could be quite an exciting film.

[Peanutbutter]

Time to take out the screenshot I saved when Kaiji was signing that contract:

Spoiler for image with ep 26 opinion:

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In the end, I see it as brilliant writing, such that Kaiji will be back to square one when he's repaid his debt. And secondly, knowing that he did met his target of winning 50m/60m in 20 days, I don't really feel much pity for him.

An S3 will be interesting. The next game which Kaiji is involved in now is also pretty intriguing for me.

[fertygo]

I really don't agree The Bog arc is weak though, I remember when I read the manga the intensity is very absorbing and god its make me jumping here and there, n yeah you even can understand why everybody is crying when you read the manga, the emotion is just on everywhere.

Awhile maybe in anime the arc feels "dragged" because 24 minute limitation in one eps, n we must waiting a week for a continuation, I feel manga format is more capable to unleash the full intensity of this arc. Although the anime already doing very good damn job in working it (especially for the voice acting) 16 eps of waiting for one little ball to goes in admittedly is very tiring, I think its just more fit for manga work than anime.

Overall The Bog arc is still the best arc in Kaiji, no other arc can playing your emotion in this extent, its just unreal.

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by papermario13689

Hey, you may be in the minority, but at least it's with a solid point. I'm just a little curious, if you don't mind me questioning a little- Kaiji struggles in S1 and eventually gets greedy and loses. In S2, he struggles, rises and ultimately wins. Not as much as he thought, but a win nonetheless. What part about S2 made you feel he was portrayed better? It's just a thought I'm having about your comment, hopefully you can help:P

S1 Kaiji was way more reactive and impulsive. That's only reason why he comes up with anything was out of pure desperation.

But S2 Kaiji when outwitting Ooutsuki, and coming up with that convoluted plan to tilt the building really shows that Kaiji's in their heads. It's actually all quite well planned, and done in a short amount of time.