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2009-09-23, 01:12 | Link #1922 |
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I'm surprised this thread is still alive to be honest, I guess the GC peeps have been fairly civilised to date. My 2 pence anyways. I be Catholic, however could now be seen as a stray lamb in my 20s - At the very least however, I do believe in a higher being than humans, one that tbh is prob the source/inspiration for almost all long standing religions that have branched and spanned off over the centuries. Once you get past the politics and strip off all the negative BS, they all kinda preach the same basic ideas and we're not that different really *waves the 'peace and love' flag around~*
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2009-09-23, 02:10 | Link #1923 | |
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People are getting too stuck in the mentalities of certain religious people or atheistic/agnostic. This is something that would not change even if religion never existed. There'd always be something to replace it. That's a basic truth that one must realize. I think the discussion here would have more merit if we discuss logically why we hold certain beliefs (As I think TRL has bene triyng to point out) rather than discussing things that people do to make us hate a particular belief system.
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2009-09-23, 05:40 | Link #1924 | |
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Whether or not there a "grand design" exists is besides the point. Theists are remarkable for their ability to commit to an ideal. You are free to think that they are deluded, but their strength of conviction is something you clearly lack. Why? I challenge you to rise above apathy. As an atheist, I presume you believe there is no afterlife. This is your one and only chance at existence. So, what makes your existence worthwhile? Stand and be accountable for your beliefs. Goals, as you describe them, are ephemeral things. If you haven't found one that you can commit your whole life towards, I'd say this: You have no idea what it means to have faith. Lacking that understanding, you are in no position to criticise those who struggle to keep faith in the face of insurmountable odds. |
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2009-09-23, 06:08 | Link #1925 |
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FYI what I said last page also goes for the meaning of life.
Saying God gives you purpose does not actually give you a purpose. It just makes it easier to go through life with conviction that you have found an answer, regardless of whether or not you know what that answer even means. |
2009-09-23, 06:24 | Link #1926 | ||
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..in an amusing kind of way, I could imply that "non-commitment" is a deep commitment itself. Subjective... |
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2009-09-23, 07:05 | Link #1929 | |
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Do you know what it means to be responsible for someone other than yourself? What does it mean to commit to a relationship? At a time when marriages fail at the drop of a hat, when material comforts are easily available at the swipe of a credit card, we have been lulled into the complacent belief that everything comes effortlessly, that nothing is worth fighting for any more. Sure, you don't have to commit yourself to anything. But then you'd be nothing. You'd never grow as an individual. You'd remain selfish to the core, oblivious of your duty to self, family and society. If that's the kind of person you aspire to be, be my guest. But be prepared to never get respect from many people around you. |
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OT : One of my purposes in life is to make others see how beautiful is the love expressed in yuri, thus I actively campaign and spread the beauty around to create a more loving world for females. That for one, I am making a difference in the world I live. Grandiose as it sounds, but at least I am not sitting around making greenhouse gases to pollute the atmosphere by sitting in front of the screen, breathing and not bothering about the changes around the world. Quote:
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Without a commitment, a person will be like a zombie, no motive, and basically it is nothing but living dead. Why do you wake up? Why do you fall asleep? Why do you even go to school? I think it would be good if you get me some answers to these questions.
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2009-09-23, 07:16 | Link #1932 | |
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I don't think that at the beginning, we were that much different from many other animals. For example, here in France, there is a documentary in many parts about the life and times of meerkats. It shows three group of Meerkats. Each own has its own ruler, and each meerkat has its own role in this little society. They have rules, and when one of them does something that goes against the group, it has to leave the group etc. They make fights/wars against other groups of meerkat, for the territories etc. That really remind me humans when I watch this documentary. The big difference, I think, is that those animals don't choose to perpetuate the species or not. They do it as something innate. |
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2009-09-23, 07:39 | Link #1933 | |
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The reason why humans are on the verge of becoming humus (pun intended) is because they are lost. Given so many options in the developed society, and everything seemingly (un)attainable, they eventually ask themselves, "What the f*** am I doing this for?". Everything they have done are pointless to themselves, metaphorically, they find that their lives revolve around searching a needle in the haystack, and their thinking is probably one of the below : 1. What am I going to do with the needle when I find it? 2. What is the use of the needle for me? 3. What benefit will I get from finding the needle? 4. Is there a need to find the needle? 5. Who am I doing this for? etc - etc. These are the people, who stand on the shades of black and white. Another group, IMO who are slightly better,will be standing on the fringes of grey and not knowing which side to take (i.e lost). In the long run, it becomes tiring and they do not want anything anymore, some lead their lives in monotone under the conception of "I must keep doing this" or "Why bother with anything else?" while others choose hastened perdition (suicide / homicide). Though I don't believe in any fixed omnipotent entity or fantastical ideal, I do believe in luck and not looking back in regret in everything one has done or not done. The former being the ONLY way to get 100% or beyond, and the latter being that every experience, no matter bad or good, is a step to finding a purpose and use for that needle, whether one finds it or not. Instead of standing there and brooding about it, why not do something about it? Random is not a bad way to start, after thinking about all that, what will you fear?
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2009-09-23, 08:00 | Link #1934 | |
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I work 8 hrs for 6 days each week to earn money for a comfortable future for me and my family, that is one purpose. Another is to enjoy life as much as possible of course.
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2009-09-23, 08:04 | Link #1935 | |
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2009-09-23, 08:13 | Link #1936 |
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TinyRedLeaf, you seem to have taken over the role of the sow scolding her piglets "Why don't you fly like the other pigs?" The only valid answer I can give is the other pigs don't fly either.
First, you're putting believers on a pedestal where they don't belong and declare that case closed. In your view, large parts of humanity seem to be some kind of pocket philosophers in a 24/7 intellectual struggle with their relationship to God who at the same time easlly find their motivation to help (why not harm?) others in their religion. (Shouldn't blind, fanatical faith be much more motivating?) And then you ask the atheists why they don't live up to that strange picture. It's obvious that you spent more thoughts on the meaning of life than most people here. And in that regard you are certainly capable of outsmarting people who have just started their adult life, if at all. But instead just stamping answers with "wrong, try again" why aren't you trying to give us some insights. Maybe you're just trying the Socratic method here, but that doesn't seem to work out, maybe due to your biased starting point which you are not willing to question, or the absence of worthy opponents, but most likely both.
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2009-09-23, 08:23 | Link #1937 | |
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If you're talking about selfishness, everyone is. Even helping others is a form of selfishness; a type of self-interest. People really do things for themselves(note: i didn't use "others") not because they want others to feel good but because they want to make themselves feel good. But for "selfless" people, its usually a direct relationship: helping others=helping themselves. Quote:
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2009-09-23, 11:36 | Link #1940 | |
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Fantgirl, I think you really need to define your commitment, we have lots of people throwing words in here and it begins to derail into something which looks like a mess.
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