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maplehurry · 2009-07-09, 15:04

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Originally Posted by RedWing

Faldio quite obviously did the right thing. I'm surprised anyone can see it in any other way.

I think the irony is that Faldio's the one telling Welkin not to shoot when Alicia's taken hostage couple episode back.

encia · 2009-07-10, 02:37

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Originally Posted by Father Hentai

But also you should question what had the situation escalated. Gregor did shoot at the end but Faldio gave the order. If it comes to Military Court Faldio will possibly be judged guilty.

Faldio didn't gave the order to fire on the civilians.

The guilty party is one who caused the removal of person’s liberty and life i.e. Gregor and Imperials.

War crimes are "violations of the laws or customs of war"; including but not limited to "murder, the ill-treatment or deportation of civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps", "the murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war", the killing of hostages, "the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military, or civilian necessity". - wiki.

Gregor has the option to surrender.

Manji Midou · 2009-07-10, 04:10

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

...except that the one scene Welkin does have is pretty obviously a romance scene between him and Alicia. I do like how this is like the rumour that some people just won't let die, though.

l wasn't being serious...

:::runs off crying:::

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I'm sure the entire game community would say, "**** you," at that point.

l'm pretty sure some have already uttered this under their breaths already due to some of the changes, me being one of them.

hongee · 2009-07-10, 10:49

It's kind of stupid Gregor actually gave the command to fire. The civilian fire thing was merely a threat. If they really did it they are the inhumane ones.

Anyway they could have every chance to hit those Squad 7 people instead of the civilians, in which they would have much more to gain than just wasting their own ammo and turn into inmoral freaks.

MeoTwister5 · 2009-07-10, 11:20

I think we also need to take into consideration that Faldio could only work with the information he had at that given time, and only had mere minutes to make a decision. Unlike today's military that's rather spoiled with long distance communication, satellite imagery, unmanned recon drones and the like, he had to work with nothing more than line-of-sight and sketchy outdated intel. He made the best decision one could make given his situation, heck it could be argued he saved more lives than were lost, so he can't really be faulted for making this decision under fire.

grylsyjaeger · 2009-07-11, 05:33

The best laid plans are best discarded the moment a battle begins because nothing ever goes according to plan.

Blademun · 2009-07-13, 02:08

Ok, I know Valkyria is strategy-lite and real world tactics only apply when its good for the plot.

That said, let me take a stab at what they could have done to avoid the civilian casualtys and complete the mission.

Step one: Feign retreat. Of course, as stated by Welkin, any movement would be clearly observed by the train cannon from where it was at. To counter this...

Step Two: Set fire to all the buildings. Fire, and the smoke it produces, has been traditionally used by armies for almost as long as wars have been fought. In this case, setting fire to the buildings would obscure Gregors view with smoke as well as sow further chaos and casualty's into the imperial soldiers.

Step Three: Have a small force try to sneak up to the bridge and detonate the explosives, or set fire to the bridge itself (if the burning building's hadn't set it on fire already.). Meanwhile, the rest of the force regroups and takes high ground to observe and possibly have the tank open fire if the demolition team isn't successful.

Of course, for destroying all the mining buildings, they would get reprimanded severely, but it beats the heck out of sacrificing civilians.

Ashlotte · 2009-07-15, 19:21

Great I go to pick this one up again now that I've gotten mostly caught up with the new season only to be bludgeoned upside the head with massive spoiler OP...*sigh*

Meh putting aside that I had hoped the tone of the OP was hinting at the series getting back to battles but looking at the preview of next episode...Guess I'll just have to watch and see...

cloner4000 · 2009-07-16, 12:19

Well, if every battle can be like this episode or the opening...I'll be very happy.

Compare this to all the previous battle...I mean what battle?

The opening is pretty much a spoilers...but since I play the game...I dodge that part..but the game give some pretty big foreshadowing anyway.

Velsy · 2009-07-31, 12:04

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Originally Posted by Blademun

Ok, I know Valkyria is strategy-lite and real world tactics only apply when its good for the plot.

That said, let me take a stab at what they could have done to avoid the civilian casualtys and complete the mission.

Step one: Feign retreat. Of course, as stated by Welkin, any movement would be clearly observed by the train cannon from where it was at. To counter this...

Step Two: Set fire to all the buildings. Fire, and the smoke it produces, has been traditionally used by armies for almost as long as wars have been fought. In this case, setting fire to the buildings would obscure Gregors view with smoke as well as sow further chaos and casualty's into the imperial soldiers.

Step Three: Have a small force try to sneak up to the bridge and detonate the explosives, or set fire to the bridge itself (if the burning building's hadn't set it on fire already.). Meanwhile, the rest of the force regroups and takes high ground to observe and possibly have the tank open fire if the demolition team isn't successful.

Of course, for destroying all the mining buildings, they would get reprimanded severely, but it beats the heck out of sacrificing civilians.

yeah great idea !!

lets get out our pitch forks and torches and burn the town to the ground. Hopefully by then we havent been cluster bombed to death already.

I cant beleive people are getting serious over this. I sorta disappointed a little that welkin hestiated, but understand he was thinking thats they have come to far to back down and surrender, yet the next action has a high chance of casualties. By that time Faldio stepped in and ordered the full out attack on the train. How does Faldio get charged for war cimes ? There actions liberated the prison camp. Enemy opened fire on escaping prisners..... with both rifles and Artilary. Take out the train as fast as possible to prevent further damage.

Plus they were expected to die in the first place (General Demon or whatever his name is).

anyway thats my thoughts on that issue

Velsy · 2009-07-31, 12:41

Spoiler for Regarding Alicia in the OP:

Really liked the 2nd OP, I had liked the music to the 1st but this OP looks more actioned and exciting. Buuuuuuuttttt WT..... Thats a HUGE spoiler !! I cant beleive the anime producers did that !!

I have been suspecting Alicia to be somewhat related to the Valkyria but havent had the *solid* evidence prove it. But now, its just like I've just been told the answer before solving it!. They could of just kept the action scenes but not inlcuded the glowing blue fighting.

Well, I guess now that the beans have been spilt, I can give my reasons.

Firstly, if you had the early Ayako vids, At the end of an episode, they present background material on characters. I picked up on Alicia having a *superior* regeneration ability compared to anyone else. A superior regeneration ability is pretty much a type of Holy trait in my thoughts. Which I've gotten the idea that Valkyria is some type of holy race. This was the main thing that got me thinking on Alicia. I been trying to research Valkyria lore since and how it matches up..... She doesnt quite look like Another part General Ragan describes Alicia as being prowless like the valkyria in battle, which I aggreed upon seeing her facial expressions in the forest battle. She looked good, but not only physically

.

Also find out previously shes an orphan, so her heritage is unkown. Which raises more suspicious of course. But she doesnt quite look like Selvaria and Princess Cordial does she <.<

Its been mentioned in this thread, of what happened in the ruins, she supposely pushed a big round button and the place opened up. But that was countered becaues a few seconds earlier. Selvaria cut her own hand (exposing blood) and placed it on a rune marking which activated. I cant really see how thats a give away.

Anway I really disspointed it was exposed in the OP. Actually it makes me frustrated. I had not conclued she was Valkyria but I was on the right trail, then they expose it ! ><

Shame on the anime creators ! shame ! shame shame ! Shame with a capital S !!!

As for the Episde, I liked it. Except for the part Faildo jumping on alicia ! He somehow developed a 6th sence ! rather than turning and placing a bullet into the sniper before he got his shot off. I felt this scene was rather uncalled for. Surly Alica would of push him off or so, rather than have a converation in the middle of a battle.

anway, cant do nothing, only pretend it didnt happen.... if ever that works <.<

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2009-07-10, 11:20	Link #145
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	I think we also need to take into consideration that Faldio could only work with the information he had at that given time, and only had mere minutes to make a decision. Unlike today's military that's rather spoiled with long distance communication, satellite imagery, unmanned recon drones and the like, he had to work with nothing more than line-of-sight and sketchy outdated intel. He made the best decision one could make given his situation, heck it could be argued he saved more lives than were lost, so he can't really be faulted for making this decision under fire. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2009-07-11, 05:33	Link #146
grylsyjaeger Onani Master Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: The girl's bathroom Age: 34	The best laid plans are best discarded the moment a battle begins because nothing ever goes according to plan. __________________ "It doesn't mean much, we never had a chance."

2009-07-13, 02:08	Link #147
Blademun Junior Member Join Date: May 2008	An alternate decision Ok, I know Valkyria is strategy-lite and real world tactics only apply when its good for the plot. That said, let me take a stab at what they could have done to avoid the civilian casualtys and complete the mission. Step one: Feign retreat. Of course, as stated by Welkin, any movement would be clearly observed by the train cannon from where it was at. To counter this... Step Two: Set fire to all the buildings. Fire, and the smoke it produces, has been traditionally used by armies for almost as long as wars have been fought. In this case, setting fire to the buildings would obscure Gregors view with smoke as well as sow further chaos and casualty's into the imperial soldiers. Step Three: Have a small force try to sneak up to the bridge and detonate the explosives, or set fire to the bridge itself (if the burning building's hadn't set it on fire already.). Meanwhile, the rest of the force regroups and takes high ground to observe and possibly have the tank open fire if the demolition team isn't successful. Of course, for destroying all the mining buildings, they would get reprimanded severely, but it beats the heck out of sacrificing civilians.

2009-07-15, 19:21	Link #148
Ashlotte Clockwork Join Date: Oct 2006	Great I go to pick this one up again now that I've gotten mostly caught up with the new season only to be bludgeoned upside the head with massive spoiler OP...sigh Meh putting aside that I had hoped the tone of the OP was hinting at the series getting back to battles but looking at the preview of next episode...Guess I'll just have to watch and see... __________________ No matter what enemy. No matter what ally. Mowing everything down with maximum destructive power. That is... "The White Devil of the Administration Bureau"

2009-07-10, 10:49	Link #144
hongee @ ihongee.co.cc Join Date: Jul 2009	It's kind of stupid Gregor actually gave the command to fire. The civilian fire thing was merely a threat. If they really did it they are the inhumane ones. Anyway they could have every chance to hit those Squad 7 people instead of the civilians, in which they would have much more to gain than just wasting their own ammo and turn into inmoral freaks.

2009-07-16, 12:19	Link #149
cloner4000 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	Well, if every battle can be like this episode or the opening...I'll be very happy. Compare this to all the previous battle...I mean what battle? The opening is pretty much a spoilers...but since I play the game...I dodge that part..but the game give some pretty big foreshadowing anyway.

2009-07-31, 12:41	Link #151
Velsy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Spoiler for Regarding Alicia in the OP: Really liked the 2nd OP, I had liked the music to the 1st but this OP looks more actioned and exciting. Buuuuuuuttttt WT..... Thats a HUGE spoiler !! I cant beleive the anime producers did that !! I have been suspecting Alicia to be somewhat related to the Valkyria but havent had the solid evidence prove it. But now, its just like I've just been told the answer before solving it!. They could of just kept the action scenes but not inlcuded the glowing blue fighting. Well, I guess now that the beans have been spilt, I can give my reasons. Firstly, if you had the early Ayako vids, At the end of an episode, they present background material on characters. I picked up on Alicia having a superior regeneration ability compared to anyone else. A superior regeneration ability is pretty much a type of Holy trait in my thoughts. Which I've gotten the idea that Valkyria is some type of holy race. This was the main thing that got me thinking on Alicia. I been trying to research Valkyria lore since and how it matches up..... She doesnt quite look like Another part General Ragan describes Alicia as being prowless like the valkyria in battle, which I aggreed upon seeing her facial expressions in the forest battle. She looked good, but not only physically . Also find out previously shes an orphan, so her heritage is unkown. Which raises more suspicious of course. But she doesnt quite look like Selvaria and Princess Cordial does she <.< Its been mentioned in this thread, of what happened in the ruins, she supposely pushed a big round button and the place opened up. But that was countered becaues a few seconds earlier. Selvaria cut her own hand (exposing blood) and placed it on a rune marking which activated. I cant really see how thats a give away. Anway I really disspointed it was exposed in the OP. Actually it makes me frustrated. I had not conclued she was Valkyria but I was on the right trail, then they expose it ! >< Shame on the anime creators ! shame ! shame shame ! Shame with a capital S !!! As for the Episde, I liked it. Except for the part Faildo jumping on alicia ! He somehow developed a 6th sence ! rather than turning and placing a bullet into the sniper before he got his shot off. I felt this scene was rather uncalled for. Surly Alica would of push him off or so, rather than have a converation in the middle of a battle. anway, cant do nothing, only pretend it didnt happen.... if ever that works <.< __________________ Donated by Om Nerabdator