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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 14 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 216 | 59.18% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 84 | 23.01% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 28 | 7.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 15 | 4.11% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 1.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 0.82% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 0.55% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 3 | 0.82% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 9 | 2.47% | |
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2008-07-13, 22:20 | Link #481 |
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Suzaku wants a reason to kill Lelouch. It's just the way his character works. If he cannot justify an action in his mind, he can't go through with it. He views himself as a person in the side of justice. He cannot do anything to Lelouch if Lelouch has no memory. He most likely used the drug on Kallen. He needs to know whether Lelouch regained his memories.
Suzaku said that in order to prevent bad things from happening, he will use any method necessary or something like that. In this scene, Suzaku has found a reason or justification to hurt people that he cares about. Nothing is stopping him from using the drug on Kallen. Lelouch probably wouldn't do something like that to Kallen since she is a person in Ashford Academy that he is fighting for also. So in this moment, we can see a difference in character between Suzaku and Lelouch and how they deal with Shirley's death. While Lelouch's character is improving, Suzaku's character is degrading. Lelouch still holds onto a sliver of principles while in Suzaku's eyes, nothing is sacred anymore and all boundaries can be crossed. Of course, they are still both mass murderers, but that's another topic for another discussion. The scene with Kallen is not about finding whether Lelouch killed Shirley or not. It's about whether he regained his memories or not. Kallen knows Lelouch's second identity and it was Suzaku who showed her that in S1 episode 25 or 26. |
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2008-07-13, 22:28 | Link #484 | |
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Anyway, in this episode, all my hope for Suzaku x Kallen is gone. Last episode, it was Lulu x Shirley. Maybe next episode, it will be Villeta x Ohgi. |
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2008-07-13, 22:42 | Link #488 | |||
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If he is really such a "kissing ass", he would've killed the million of "Zero"s back then. While I agree he is definitely not the same person as he used to be, and I really don't think he picked the best method, but he never changed, as we have seen from his comment to Shirley (I will make sure the border between Getto and the main town disappear {something along those lines}). I already talked about why he is using drugs on Kallen - he already seen Lulu break way too many rules while he isn't (like killing all the zeros), and with Shirley's death, he feel that he has to "break the rules" to make sure his friends won't die because of Lulu again. Quote:
As for his power, right now his power is not that much - he can influence things here and there, but if someone higher up decide to do something else, he cannot change that, hence he needs to become Knight of One, as then, the Area of his choosing, which would be Area 11, would be his to govern as please, and there is no one, other than maybe the emperor, can do anything about it. You can say it is a method that probably doesn't work, but he does have the well being of Japanese people in mind, whether that is realistic or not. As for Lulu's goal, it was obvious from the start, and even to his own admission, he is doing it for purely personal reason, although in parts of R2, he seems to change his mind and decide to modify his plan to actually help out the people (like not making the Chinese Empress marry someone, etc.), but that went out the window after Shirley was killed - he is back to his own selfish reasons again. Nanaly's safety is number one, so if there is another incident that forces him to choose sides again, there is no doubt it would be his followers that got the short end of the stick. Both Suzaku and Lulu can now admit it even to themselves that this is what they would be doing (doing things for the ultimate goal), so I don't see the need to "dump" on Suzaku because they are now basically doing the same thing, except from different angle (need to be a bastard for the greater good). Maybe it's just me, as I don't see why Lulu's goal is more "noble" than Suzaku, other than the fact that Lulu has better planning so his plans usually yield results, while Suzaku has nothing really to show for his efforts, other than his Knight of Seven title. Besides, in a strange way, Suzaku represent a way for the Japanese people to be "tolerated" by Britainnia, as the Ashford students, at least the student council, treat him as an equal somewhat. I agree that Lulu's method would yield results much quicker, but which way would yield a better result in the long run, no one would know for certain. |
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2008-07-13, 23:02 | Link #492 |
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Yeah no way they mention something like that and not have it used. Really can see him dying from it while using his geass to save Lelouch somehow. Though not sure why Lelouch didn't just blow him up anyways. Sure it wouldn't have taken out V.V. at the same time, but does that really matter?
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2008-07-13, 23:03 | Link #493 | |
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2008-07-13, 23:14 | Link #495 | |
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2008-07-13, 23:16 | Link #496 | |
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2008-07-13, 23:21 | Link #497 |
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Also Lelouch may not be overly squeamish about sacrificing people, but we have yet to see him kill someone completely in cold blood without reason that I can recall. It is just like a chess game he does not sacrifice his pieces haphazardly.
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2008-07-13, 23:28 | Link #499 |
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I have no idea if this has been asked, but it came up in a conversation. How long did the conversation/bonding session between Nunally and Kallen go on for? I'm inclined to believe that it was a good while before Suzaku walked in, but I cannot be certain.
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