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Chaos2Frozen · 2015-01-07, 12:15

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Originally Posted by Fizix

I cant argue with that. I suppose I interpret it strangely, it just doesn't *feel* as serious.

There are different degrees of serious, if you're going for the "Anybody can die at any time" seriousness of Game of Thrones then no it's not.

You standard procedural drama series type of seriousness? It's in the ballpark.

However the themes that they touch upon, politics/religion/experimentation/free will, those are certainly not for kids.

allfictions · 2015-01-07, 12:21

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

However the themes that they touch upon, politics/religion/experimentation/free will, those are certainly not for kids.

Though whether any of these topic is handled well, your mileage might vary

Chaos2Frozen · 2015-01-07, 12:25

Same could be said for any story I wager.

Kamijou_Touma · 2015-01-07, 12:30

its in the grey area, it for kids but at the same time its not. u have those battles that r in similar respect to naruto and bleach, but then u get these random ecchi moments, i.e. strippin index, Lucia, Angelene, Agnese, his fight with Oriana, then if u read the railgun manga, i think he saw Mikoto's semi nude, Itsuwa was kinda nude when/after he splashed in in France because Tsuchimikado pushed him out of a supersonic jet.

Then on top of that u have Tsuchimikado making these ecchi comments to Kanzaki. when he was saving himegami in deep blood arc he saw partially nude random female student, when himegami was fixing her up with first aide. he saw Orsola nude in the shower back in Italy. Lessar showed him her undies. idk if there was ecchi moment with Kuro, but that bathroom scene kinda sounded ecchi. also I think he's seen the Misaka sisters nude a few times and i think 10032 pull her pants down to show her shima panties.

speaking of that Accelerator saw nudes too XD.

Chaos2Frozen · 2015-01-07, 12:37

Slight off-topic, I find it amusing that you would think fighting and killing is okay for kids, but nudity is bad

Not even sex, just nudity.

Let's not forget, both Naruto and Bleach aren't exactly bloodless (Bleach in particular).

And there's even a bit of body gore in Index.

Kamijou_Touma · 2015-01-07, 13:12

a bit, i think having touma get wrecked cut his arm off a few times is more than enough to keep up with bleach.

yeah i do rate nudity more adult than blood and gore fight scenes.

but meh, i hear their teaching kindergartners about about sex and homos... i'm like thats just wrong... teaching a 5 or 6 year about how to make babies... :P what blasphemy is this...

allfictions · 2015-01-07, 14:18

Why do you keep focusing so much on nudity?

Like Chaos said, you just need to look at the bloodiest arcs (Battle Royale/Baggage City) to see it's not for kids.

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Originally Posted by Kamijou_Touma

yeah i do rate nudity more adult than blood and gore fight scenes.

If there is no sex with the nudity and it's censored on top of that (convenient steam, towel, etc), I'm not sure I get your logic. It's more of a ''naked people are funny'' than anything, really. And compared to lots of other series, fanservice in ToAru is actually rarely ecchi or to arouse.

EDIT: interestingly, even TvTropes makes that same observation

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Most of the Fanservice in A Certain Magical Index is this. Index's clothes exploding, Kuroko's string bikini ("yeah, its not what I'd usually wear, but its the smallest they had"), and the stripping woman are all Played for Laughs.

Kamijou_Touma · 2015-01-07, 14:41

true, but the fighting and blood and gore is more the norm these days, so even if its not meant for kids, its still gonna be seen some where compared those played for laugh moments... besides kamachi-sensei used it alot back in OT.

R.LocK · 2015-01-07, 15:04

Softcore futanari doujins (a bit on extreme side, but welp) traumatised me much less than cannibalism in comics (replace it with blood, gore, whatever) back in 00s. I'd say that Aureolus's alchemy warrants some disclaimers much more than Touma disrobing Index or other females caught in compromising situations. Or Accelerator pretty much describing how he killed #10031. Or Mugino dragging half of Frenda's body through the half of the city. ...Yeah.

Kamijou_Touma · 2015-01-07, 15:14

but thats normal, look at all the zombie games and stuff that came out last year and this year, and all those horror games..... idk why you guys would think its a big deal when its all over the place now.

Fellen · 2015-01-07, 15:16

I really don't think the novels are for kids. The anime? Sure why not, I don't think it's too bad for children. However when things gets brutal and messed up in the novels, then it's some really high level stuff. It could mentally scar some child for life.

Fizix · 2015-01-07, 15:24

^ yes, the novels come across as more intense than the anime, I think the violent stuff has been toned down in the anime.

The nudity isn't something I've ever really thought about in the anime, aside from Kuroko based stuff in Railgun but that bugs me for reasons other than explicitness (which it isn't).

Index' nudity is about as mild as nudity can get and is played for laughs rather than being sexy or erotic. The problem is the gag doesn't have longevity.

Kamijou_Touma · 2015-01-07, 15:29

I guess my view on the novel is different from you guys then.

Hiss13 · 2015-01-07, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Fellen

I really don't think the novels are for kids. The anime? Sure why not, I don't think it's too bad for children. However when things gets brutal and messed up in the novels, then it's some really high level stuff. It could mentally scar some child for life.

Exactly. When Kamachi wants to get bloody and gory...he gets bloody and gory. Baggage City, the confrontation between Accelerator and the Hound Dogs in the chemical plant, Battle Royale, Limen Magna, the description of 10031's body...those were bloody and gory enough to traumatize. Seriously, reading Volume 13 is enough to make one realize how toned down the anime really was.

With regards to nudity, allfictions said it best. Nude people are funny. Being caught in embarrassing poses and situations is funny. It has almost never been played for eroticism.

Kamijou_Touma · 2015-01-07, 15:40

i never said eroticism tho, i said more ecchi than it is sexual.

Fizix · 2015-01-07, 16:07

I thought ecchi was erotic, at least in the sense of being designed to be sexy or to titillate?

10031, that volume in particular affected me, it wasn't nice.

Kamijou_Touma · 2015-01-07, 16:23

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...06&oe=552F72D9

^^^ everyone's attitude to gory or bloody scenes.

meh i not even remotely surprised at Kamachi-sensei's level of gore.

the only scene that made me wow is when izzard lopped off his arm for the first time and dragon came out to say wassup bro.

Fizix · 2015-01-07, 16:55

Lol that pic is kinda true, well I've never encountered one or two of them, I hope. :-/

allfictions · 2015-01-07, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Kamijou_Touma

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...06&oe=552F72D9

Haha, LMAO

Kamijou_Touma · 2015-01-07, 21:40

just so you know i'm the guy behind the guy doin the solo invis drum solo.

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Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	its in the grey area, it for kids but at the same time its not. u have those battles that r in similar respect to naruto and bleach, but then u get these random ecchi moments, i.e. strippin index, Lucia, Angelene, Agnese, his fight with Oriana, then if u read the railgun manga, i think he saw Mikoto's semi nude, Itsuwa was kinda nude when/after he splashed in in France because Tsuchimikado pushed him out of a supersonic jet. Then on top of that u have Tsuchimikado making these ecchi comments to Kanzaki. when he was saving himegami in deep blood arc he saw partially nude random female student, when himegami was fixing her up with first aide. he saw Orsola nude in the shower back in Italy. Lessar showed him her undies. idk if there was ecchi moment with Kuro, but that bathroom scene kinda sounded ecchi. also I think he's seen the Misaka sisters nude a few times and i think 10032 pull her pants down to show her shima panties. speaking of that Accelerator saw nudes too XD. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Slight off-topic, I find it amusing that you would think fighting and killing is okay for kids, but nudity is bad Not even sex, just nudity. Let's not forget, both Naruto and Bleach aren't exactly bloodless (Bleach in particular). And there's even a bit of body gore in Index. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	a bit, i think having touma get wrecked cut his arm off a few times is more than enough to keep up with bleach. yeah i do rate nudity more adult than blood and gore fight scenes. but meh, i hear their teaching kindergartners about about sex and homos... i'm like thats just wrong... teaching a 5 or 6 year about how to make babies... :P what blasphemy is this... __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

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Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	true, but the fighting and blood and gore is more the norm these days, so even if its not meant for kids, its still gonna be seen some where compared those played for laugh moments... besides kamachi-sensei used it alot back in OT. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

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R.LocK My turn Join Date: Feb 2012	Softcore futanari doujins (a bit on extreme side, but welp) traumatised me much less than cannibalism in comics (replace it with blood, gore, whatever) back in 00s. I'd say that Aureolus's alchemy warrants some disclaimers much more than Touma disrobing Index or other females caught in compromising situations. Or Accelerator pretty much describing how he killed #10031. Or Mugino dragging half of Frenda's body through the half of the city. ...Yeah.

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Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	but thats normal, look at all the zombie games and stuff that came out last year and this year, and all those horror games..... idk why you guys would think its a big deal when its all over the place now. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!!

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Fellen Insert user title here Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: The police station (Don't ask!)	I really don't think the novels are for kids. The anime? Sure why not, I don't think it's too bad for children. However when things gets brutal and messed up in the novels, then it's some really high level stuff. It could mentally scar some child for life. __________________

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Fizix Nitpicking Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: From England old chaps Age: 42	^ yes, the novels come across as more intense than the anime, I think the violent stuff has been toned down in the anime. The nudity isn't something I've ever really thought about in the anime, aside from Kuroko based stuff in Railgun but that bugs me for reasons other than explicitness (which it isn't). Index' nudity is about as mild as nudity can get and is played for laughs rather than being sexy or erotic. The problem is the gag doesn't have longevity.

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Fizix Nitpicking Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: From England old chaps Age: 42	I thought ecchi was erotic, at least in the sense of being designed to be sexy or to titillate? 10031, that volume in particular affected me, it wasn't nice. Last edited by Fizix; 2015-01-07 at 16:56.

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Kamijou_Touma Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In A Certain Magical Place.	https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...06&oe=552F72D9 ^^^ everyone's attitude to gory or bloody scenes. meh i not even remotely surprised at Kamachi-sensei's level of gore. the only scene that made me wow is when izzard lopped off his arm for the first time and dragon came out to say wassup bro. __________________ NANO!!! DESU!!! Last edited by Kamijou_Touma; 2015-01-07 at 17:22.

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