2004-09-18, 15:38 | Link #81 | |
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Kakashi probably has encorporated the sharingan better into his fighting than Sasuke has, but this doesn't mean his sharingan is better. It is most likely not. |
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2004-09-18, 15:43 | Link #82 | |
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2004-09-18, 16:05 | Link #83 |
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Only the 3rd hokage's sannin students were all special (he probably had other students that the mangaka just hasn't shown us). Three of the 2nd's students were Sarutobi and the other two old farts who haven't really shown any special skills. We haven't seen any of the 1st's students or other students of the 2nd. Kakashi is the only one we know who is special out of the 4th's students, so the argument that a future or present hokage's students must be special is moot. Shizune isn't that special, after all, and what if Kakashi becomes hokage? lol, I hope somebody won't say Sakura must be special because of that.
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2004-09-18, 19:25 | Link #84 | |
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2004-09-18, 19:49 | Link #85 |
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well one thing i noticed was that when konoha was under attack by the sound nin and kakashi and gai were fighting back, near the end of the fight at the stadium, kakashi was scratched and pretty out of shape while gai was totally unharmed. it seems like gai has a lot more ability than kakashi
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2004-09-18, 19:52 | Link #86 | |
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2004-09-18, 21:32 | Link #87 | |
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If you skip back an episode or two.. you'll see Gai kicking away three ninjas and saying "Why You!!" .. then Kakashi disposes of three himself.. then Gai and Kakashi back up until they're backs are together saying "Not only are there Sound, but I didn't expect this many Sand Jounins to be here also" Gai had a nice little cut on his face, and looked pretty beat up himself. Unless he has a special jutsu that lets him preserve his spring time of middle youth .. or maybe the animators just can't take the undeniable Gai looking beat up. |
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2004-09-19, 00:48 | Link #88 |
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I don't know were are you trying to get at.........
Gai is indeed a top Jounnin in Konoha (Maybe the best)...but To say he have the edge over itachi??? Comom do the math...if Kakshi and GAI are almost at the same level.....(i dont know who is better than one or the other) and Itachi did not have any trouble in Fighting Him....(Hey Kakshi never even touched Itachi...he was always doging Itachi's Atack) and another Jounin also did not have a chance...there is no point saying that he can beat Itachi only because Of the Sharingan Counter he have... But can Gai Taijutsu really keep up with the Movement Reading of the sharingan? even if he open the "Gates" he only have super Powers for seconds.....and itachi has shown that he is pretty good in setting up Bushins..... i can see it know....GAi open 8 Gates..........Atack with all his speed Itachi...then itachi is lying on the ground...Gai sez..."I did it" just almost before he pass ou..the Itachi that is on the groun EXPLODES in hIS FACE!!!!!!!!! En of story.....
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2004-09-19, 13:42 | Link #89 | |
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Also about that, I think that Gai would have more of a chance agasint Itachi, I seriously doubt he would win at all, but I'm sure he would do better than Kakashi for his fighitng style is more suited. Well if he opened all 8 gates then he definitely would(but I'm not assuming he can). |
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And yeah you don't stop assuming to try to explain that Gai isn't way under the level of physical strength of Tsunade, firstly it was that Gai wouldn't fight at full force against someone not on his level then it was that Kisame could be incredibly strong -funny btw given that we talked of resistance and not strength here, etc. They say an image worth 1000 words? That was what Tsunade holded and swung while jumping to fight Manda and it's simply at a completely different level of strength compared to basically anyone in Naruto including Gai. Quote:
Our discussion about the strength of Tsunade and Gai last since several pages now and it started when I answered to a guy who was saying that Gai and Tsunade showed an equal strength that he was dreaming. Then you came and say that I couldn't say that and that we don't know the extent of Gai's strength. And again, yes I can, the story presented Tsunade as physically way stronger than anyone and btw if you think that the story presented Lee as physically stronger than Gai you're crazy. But don't be shy, make a thread about that, that could be funny. And yeah you used Kisame to try to make Gai's and Tsunade's strength more alike given that Tsunade's strength is enough to end a fight in one blow (which you tried to deny whereas it's stated -and showed- in the manga) whereas a blow of Gai didn't phase Kisame. Quote:
That's even funnier because you're the one who started this discussion with me to begin with, these 'stuff that doesn't matter' are just points that you're unable to answer. Quote:
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And I'm become tired to repeat something so much obvious and showed several time in the manga, Tsunade is presented way stronger than Gai, plain and simple. Quote:
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And seeing your little quote your first move was to make a little visit to dictionary.com, so why didn't you posted the whole def? You didn't like what you were reading which wasn't really fitting your 'it's not easy if you're tired a tiny bit' point? Be happy, Here the whole def, I find especialy funny that you finally admitted that : Quote:
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Then and for now the 3rd times (dunno why but you seem to have difficulty to see this question), how Gai could deal with an Explosive Kage Bunshin with this speed and Taijutsu? And how could he resist as well as Kakashi against Itachi's attacks without the insight of the Sharingan? Quote:
So what's the relation of that? ... Oh yeah I remember you imply that Gai's strength isn't so different than Tsunade's and you need for that to assume that Kisame's resiliance is absolutely monstrous. That's simply too bad that none of the characters ever made a comment about a particulary resistance ability hmm? _____________ About the war, it doesn't seem to me that neither Gai not Kakashi were wounded at all, it looked more like they were covered by the blood of their opponents. |
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2004-09-19, 14:05 | Link #91 |
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Hmm.... Get it through your head. And I never assumed that Kisame is strong I said he is 'probabaly'. And sure would you think someone would come out of nowhere using their full strength against another person who he wasn't even going to fight?
And what about that? She threw a sword oh wow? Lee has shown more damaging moves than Gai. So what if Gai dispersed the sand? Lee dispersed the floor of the room and an entire building. My point is that we don't knwo Gai's strenght. ANd I never once said he is as stronga as Tsunade or anybody. And you seem to be implying that Kisame is ultra weak(as how you imlpy that i assume stuff such as Kisame's strength when I said probably)..And I never assumed that. Some people just annoy me... |
2004-09-19, 14:08 | Link #92 |
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So why don't you both start again and get your arguments/facts straight.
Edit: After some re-reading it looks like username is mostly avoiding the facts that Hunter has placed before him.
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Another beautiful example of Username not answering to any points ^^
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And that was only in your previous post, really you should what you write. Btw and for the second times now, we talk about his resilience not his strength. Quote:
So Gai thought he will not fight Kisame when he kicked him in order to stop him to attack and kill Asuma and Kurenai? That's really amazing. And yeah I think that when a ninja see another running for the kill against his comrade and friend he wouldn't weaken his blow. That's your new point? That Gai didn't try to hurt Kisame? Quote:
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When I said that he was easily pressuring Asuma with his sword maybe? Btw just for the fun of it and for the 4th times now : how Gai could deal with an Explosive Kage Bunshin with this speed and Taijutsu? And how could he resist as well as Kakashi against Itachi's attacks without the insight of the Sharingan? Shay, I think my argument were pretty straight (before I start to write too much anyways ) :
edit : ah well my list wasn't that useful for you finally but anyways it's for those who hadn't read our points because they have somewhat a life :P edit 2 : *cough* I don't mean that you have no life to read my huge posts of course |
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Well for what i said no facts is needed... that's the point. Look I'm not going to bother replying to any previous one(I did read them you base your facts on things I didn't even said while you say I imply it).
Like your example of Tsunade's strength so what. Gai may or may not(I think not). I never implied that Gai may be as strong as Tsuande. But I did imply that Gai may not be a bug compared to Tsunade as you imply. And yes we have seen Lee tear up the floor while we've seen Gai blow away sand. Which one requires more effort? We have seen Lee take down a entire restauraunt and we've seen Gai knock down a wall? So which one have we seen more strength from? I believe that we still need to see Gai's full power. So here it is. We have not seen Gai's fulll power and he may not be a bug compared to Tsunade as you seem to think. There. That's all I mean. Regardless of what I have said replying to somethign going off topic. That's my point okay? I been doing nothing but stating that because all these 'facts' he's been posting have nothign to do with my point it mostly has to do with whatever absurd things he thinks I have said. And If I had said something like that and it's not stated here then oh well maybe I was feeling too annoyed at the moment by the lack of paying attention to my post and going off on another point that you think I have said. edit: Just so you know I was mid way replaying through your post right after posting this and I noticed that all I responded with was to prove the meaning of my statement which you got wrong. Someone shouldn't have to baby the other person and explain every detail to the other person. So I hope this post cleared anything you couldn't figure out by yourself... |
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For the record, my interpretation of Kisame and the sword is that Asuma was more overpowered by the sword itself, which seems to have a mind and a power of its own. |
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Psst.. hey.. Itachi and Kisame left, and Gai took off on the pursuit! Unless he knew that Jiraiya was going to be there to encounter them, why would he go in pursuit of them without anbu members or other jounins? Hrmm.. Hrrrrmmmmm..
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