2004-07-14, 00:07 | Link #142 |
日本語を食べません!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: San Francisco
Age: 41
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All you need to know about Japanese...
But seriously, it's not the most difficult thing ever. Romaji is essentially useless - as soon as you learn kana, you won't/shouldn't be using Romaji pretty much ever again. At basic/intermediate levels, conjugation isn't all that hard - all past tenses end pretty much the same way, present tenses, conditionals, etc. etc. |
2004-07-20, 23:53 | Link #143 |
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I'm currently revising all the material of my class since I'm a volunteer Japanese teacher. Next semester I'll be teaching more people Japanese than ever, so I need better material. I've been making hiragana/katakana practise sheets, pronunciation charts and all sorts of new lessons.
I also use the classical Japanese way of teaching Kanji (which means I start with first grade kanji and work up to 8th grade and then add kanji for common names). The classes are free, but only available in the California Bay Area for now. If you want to sign up for an online class next semester, you can always PM me. And yes, I have my teaching license as well as a diploma for Japanese, so I know what I'm doing. I'm trying to get more lessons online, but it's a lot of work, and I'm just so busy. One of my goals to provide a good online program that will reach more people. |
2004-07-21, 00:50 | Link #144 |
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For those who are "learning" by listening to music, watching anime etc etc, I strongly suggest you take a some classes first, then do whatever you guys do to learn, it'll be alot easier that way, since you will know the do's and do nots. Because it would suck if you did in fact learn, but you talk like a girl, and you're a guy, or you talk like an informal prick, when your trying to be polite, and once it's become habit, it will be very hard to break. When I was in classes in Japan, one of my teachers gave me this site japanese.about.com
It's one of the few sites that give you the basics, Kanji, Kana, do's and do nots, all forms of conjugation, particle use, etc etc I wish more sites, listed the do's and do not's. There's this one guy in my Art class here @ USC, who swears he learned Japanese from Gundam, so I started talking in the little Japanese he knew, and well let's say he has ALOT of learning to do, and he makes alot of mistakes in use of conjugation. Then he talks about how he wants to move to Japan, because he read all these books, so he knows how it is living there.........god if only he knew |
2004-11-11, 20:45 | Link #145 |
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Learning to Sub
I have been trying on and off to learn Japanese and be fluent in it. I have tried the various silly methods like the Pimsluer quick learning CDs for spoken Japanese. but all they teach you are the basic things like saying you want to eat and telling the time etc. I would like to get to the point where I could watch and understand a raw feed. Now IMHO I believe you would need to live in Japan for maybe a couple of years straight to be able to carry on a conversation in Japanese. Since I do not have any immediate plans to move there anytime soon that’s out of the question. All that being said I would like to find out from some of you translators out there is there anyway a person can learn spoken Japanese without taking college classes? I hope to be a translator for a fansub someday.
PS; i think i posted this in the wrong aread... |
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2004-11-11, 22:11 | Link #147 |
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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I've been taking Japanese for a year and a half now in university, and I still suck. Granted, part of this is my own lack of language learning ability (I took 4 years of Spanish in highschool, and sucked at that too) but in general, I very much doubt you'd be able to attain fluency without either living in Japan or taking classes for several years. If you want to start teaching yourself, I'd reccomend you pick up a book and start studying, though it'll be rough with no teacher to correct your mistakes and so forth..
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2004-11-11, 23:10 | Link #149 |
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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Study the language some first. (reading/writing/grammar/vocab)
Once you finish that, read manga and watch anime. Talk about the parts you dont understand in online language exchange forums. You should be able to pick it up. Ive never been to Japan, and I dont have any native speakers to talk with, but I find that I can understand about 90+% of most anime. If I rewind alot I can usually figure out the parts I missed. With an online dictionary, I can lookup terms I dont know and add them to my study list. |
2004-11-12, 01:12 | Link #150 |
キズランダム
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Pick up a book series named "Genki" if you have the money. It's a 2 book series, you can find the ISBN for it on Amazon.com, but they want alot of money for it so I would look elsewhere. The Genki series is basically the standard for learning, there are also CDs to go along with the books to cover conversations.
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2004-11-12, 21:33 | Link #151 | |
日本語を食べません!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: San Francisco
Age: 41
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Until you're at the point to recognize many various forms of verbs and enough words to understand ~80-90% of the sentence anyway (i.e. only 1-2 words you don't know), you won't learn very much. Until you're at the point to understand words despite how fast they're speaking, it won't help that much. Uesugi-sama's classes intrigue me - especially since I live in SF. Do you have a link or something? |
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2004-11-13, 08:50 | Link #152 |
I've Sound Freak
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See, I've been learning Japanese on my own for around 7 years now, at a slow but steady pace. Before you jump to any conclusions, realise where I live. Japanese classes are very very hard to come by. Fortunately it is offered in my university (just entered this summer), but the teaching's so basic, I'll pwn the first 2 years.
Different people have different learning methods and preferences, there is no set guideline. In my case, I started with song lyrics. Then over to buying my grammar book and dictionary. I'm also fortunate to play some untranslated dating sims, the voices that go with the kanji subtitles really help a lot. Then I got my kanji dictionary, and nowadays I translate (I've Sound) songs and submitting them to AnimeLyrics. I must note one thing: Don't make the mistake I did by learning it fully in romaji and neglecting the writing part. By writing, you can memorise the kana and kanji better. |
2004-12-14, 23:16 | Link #153 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Gravitation Is A Misinforming Idiot
i read through all your stupid japanese lessons, it's obvious you have never been in a japanese class or had any instruction other than what you probably have learned off the internet... well YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT JAPANESE, EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS FILLED WITH MISTAKES\MISINFORMATION... PLZZ.. STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE AND TEACHING THEM YOUR NONSENSE JAPANESE, AND GO OUT AND ACTUALLY LEARN SOME JAPANESE FROM A JAPANESE TEACHER. MAYBE THEN YOU CAN COME ON FORUMS, AND TELL PEOPLE HOW TO SPEAK JAPANESE. JUST CAUSE YOUR OBSESSED WITH ANIME AND JAPAN, DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO PRETEND YOU KNOW THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE.
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2004-12-15, 16:56 | Link #156 | ||
日本語を食べません!
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Sorry, but there's not that much here that's wrong, as far as I can tell. All comments are in red. Quote:
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2004-12-15, 18:21 | Link #157 | ||
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Antwerp area, Belgium, Europa
Age: 47
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I just cut out the parts I want to comment on
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So when there is a sentence is which desu is used (desu is a contracted form of the verb "to be" ) it does end the sentence. However not all sentences end with desu : for example : hon o motte kimashita : I brought a book. Quote:
What you posted is the chinese set from 1 to 10, the japanese use both a chinese set of numbers (going from 1 to infinity) and a japanese set of numbers (going from 1 to 10 and a few extra numbers beyond that like 20). Now these numbers are not used in normal day conversations. The reason is simple: Japanese uses classifiers to count things : this basically means that you have to add something to these numbers depending on the object you are counting. That is what makes counting from 1 to 10 in japanese a rather tough job. If you do not add such classifiers it will be VERY difficult to know what you are talking about since in japanese it's not explicitly mentioned what they are counting : the classifier is suppose to indicate that. Now what happens is : when you add this classifier alot of the number change into completely different words. For example : counting flat objects (for example paper) : add -MAI to say 1 (flat object) = ichi + mai = ichimai 2 (flat objects) ni + mai : nimai 3 (flat objects) san + mai = sammai -> here there is a sound change from n to m, this is still relatively easy since it's standard for an n to be pronounced m before a b an m or a p Another more complicated example = counting long, slender objects (trees for example) : add - HON 1 (tree) : ichi + hon does NOT become ichihon but is in fact ippon 3 (tree) : san + hon = sambon 6 (tree) : roku + hon = roppon To make matters worse : sometimes the numbers are no longer sound contractions like in the above mentioned examples but entirely different words which are sometimes based upon the japanese set of numbers from 1 to 10 (we've been using the chinese set from 1 to 10 up to now) Counting persons = add -NIN 1 (person) : ichi + nin this is NOT used, the japanese use hitori instead 2 (person) becomes futari and not ni + nin 3 (person) : all you naruto fans will love this one san + nin becomes Sannin As you can see these sound contractions are very difficult, since it takes a while to get the hang of them, especially when you realise there are dozens and dozens of classifiers in japanese. hitori and futari are based upon the japanese numbers from 1 to ten, the ones I've been using up to now are the chinese ones, which are the ones mostly used. Now when you are counting objects which do NOT have a classifier, it's more common in japanese to use the japanese set of numbers from 1 to 10 1 Hitotsu 2 Futatsu 3 Mittsu 4 Yottsu 5 Itsutsu 6 Muttsu 7 Nanatsu 8 Yattsu 9 Kokonotsu 10 Too for numbers above 10, the chinese set is used instead. Wow, long (and I hope somewhat informative) post. My advice is actually simple : when learning japanese don't start with numbers, they aren't easy at all and can easilly discourage you, learn the numbers when you get the hang of a few simple sentences allready, and slowly introduce the numbers and classifiers a few at a time, in my japanese class everyone agrees that one of the hardest things about learning japanese is in fact learning how to count, since this creates alot of extra vocabulary and it's not always easy to pick up the words when you hear them (that takes quite some practice) If you are gonna visit japan and you want to learn a few usefull sentences, I believe it's more useful to learn how to ask a shopkeeper to write the price on a piece of paper rather than learning to understand him, japanese numbers get complicating, especially when they surpass 10 000 since the method of counting completely differs then from our own. |
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2004-12-15, 18:44 | Link #158 |
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most important web link for learning japanese....
ever =p http://www.jingai.com/yakuza/introduction.html |
2004-12-15, 20:59 | Link #159 | |
Team the box!
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2004-12-16, 03:06 | Link #160 | |
外人、漫画訳者
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 41
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<<< LOL! I used this site as a reference for a Japanese class I took last Spring. In it we had to make a skit, and....hmm I can't remember it very well right now but I remember I played a Yakuza boss. Yakuza Japanese is very fun indeed. ああ、さつだ!何してる、早く逃げろう! |
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