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Anh_Minh · 2011-02-02, 16:36

I kept thinking "Life would be so much simpler if they'd just let Yano run it".

Other thoughts:
- brave attempt, but I just can't think of any dress - especially the puffy, frilly ones - that'd make Chizu look attractive. I guess I just can't get over her stupid face. She's not fugly or anything, and there's nothing wrong with her body or personality, but she's just plain physically unattractive to me.
- Kent is... infuriating. I can accept his intentions are good. He's misunderstanding the situation, yes, but he's not totally absurd either. Based on his understanding, his advice isn't bad. But he's basing said understanding on rumors and superficial acquaintance. Who is he to presume to speak for Sawako? Even more infuriating: his insistence on Kazehaya not getting angry and giving him a fake smile. People's emotions don't exist for his convenience.

GreatTeacherKen · 2011-02-02, 18:00

Good episode. I liked the way the animators depicted the scene where Chizu realized that she inadvertently said something that hurt Kazehaya with the lighter lighting the fuse at the bottom of the screen.

orion · 2011-02-02, 18:21

The dark force is strong with the male Kurumi (Kent).

Poor Kazehaya, getting manipulated like that. I hope he can get out of the mess he's allowed himself to get into. Obviously, Kent is trying to go after Sawako and is trying to get rid of the competition (Kazahaya).

I wonder what does Kurumi know about Kent.

Waven · 2011-02-02, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I kept thinking "Life would be so much simpler if they'd just let Yano run it".

Other thoughts:
- brave attempt, but I just can't think of any dress - especially the puffy, frilly ones - that'd make Chizu look attractive. I guess I just can't get over her stupid face. She's not fugly or anything, and there's nothing wrong with her body or personality, but she's just plain physically unattractive to me.
- Kent is... infuriating. I can accept his intentions are good. He's misunderstanding the situation, yes, but he's not totally absurd either. Based on his understanding, his advice isn't bad. But he's basing said understanding on rumors and superficial acquaintance. Who is he to presume to speak for Sawako? Even more infuriating: his insistence on Kazehaya not getting angry and giving him a fake smile. People's emotions don't exist for his convenience.

One could also put it like this: "Life would be so much simpler if there wasn't the psychological aspect o puberty"

... Yano and Chizu already gave up on the idea of an easy solution realizing this can only be solved by the main players.

Really like your analysis of Kent here, calm and objective. I feared people would just blatantly rage at him.

on a side, side note: So freaking hard to write something here when you've already read the manga. I have to cut out so many points from my posts I'd like to make just because knowing the outcome pretty much influences your view on everything else that has happened before as well. Can be frustrating at times but I know it's for the best.

Shiroth · 2011-02-03, 04:42

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Originally Posted by orion

Obviously, Kent is trying to go after Sawako and is trying to get rid of the competition (Kazahaya).

I hardly see how that's obvious. It does always have to be for romantic purposes. Kent could just be that kind of guy that wants to help Sawako (the same as Ayane), though just goes about it in his own different way.

orion · 2011-02-03, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

I hardly see how that's obvious. It does always have to be for romantic purposes. Kent could just be that kind of guy that wants to help Sawako (the same as Ayane), though just goes about it in his own different way.

Because being a shojo, there has to be a triangle on her side too and guys aren't normally that altruistic.

germanturkey · 2011-02-03, 12:42

i hate how there is no forward movement at all. i know this is how the manga is like, (i felt the same way then) but i think they're stretching it out a bit too much.

HurricaneHige · 2011-02-03, 13:49

ARGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

I really do like Kimi ni Todoke, but at the same time I feel like punching out a kitten everything I watch an episode. The development is so painful and slow, why do I continue to subject myself to this? ~_~

Avvesione · 2011-02-03, 14:08

What would Kimi ni Todoke be if it progressed quickly? I think everyone here wants to see Sawako and Kazehaya together but without any struggles, hardships, over-thinking or misunderstandings, then it's just like every Suddenly Girlfriend anime out there and the romance would be terrible. It's so incredibly hard to find a good romance in anime, so I'm glad Kimi ni Todoke is around since it does it right.

While I'll admit the pacing has been going at a snail's pace, it's not a bad thing because it fits the character's personalities. Sawako is socially fragile and confused, so she couldn't rush through things even if she tried. Kazehaya, on the other hand, could try to speed things up, but he's nervous about the whole thing, too. If others tried to push things through, it'd make things even worse (as was explained by Ayane in this episode). So while the pace may be slow, it's what works for the series.

Shiroth · 2011-02-03, 14:18

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Originally Posted by orion

Because being a shojo, there has to be a triangle on her side too and guys aren't normally that altruistic.

There isn't a triangle in every shoujo title.

Anh_Minh · 2011-02-03, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

I hardly see how that's obvious. It does always have to be for romantic purposes. Kent could just be that kind of guy that wants to help Sawako (the same as Ayane), though just goes about it in his own different way.

It could be both. He could, unlike Kurumi, be 100% sincere in his analysis. He could still have "ulterior motives". Kazehaya could hardly throw stones at him, there.

orion · 2011-02-04, 18:03

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

There isn't a triangle in every shoujo title.

I doubt this one would survive without the main characters in a triangle. They played Sawaki-Kazehaya-Kurumi to the hilt in first season. Now we have Kent-Sawako-Kazehaya starting in this season.

Waven · 2011-02-04, 20:03

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Originally Posted by orion

I doubt this one would survive without the main characters in a triangle. They played Sawaki-Kazehaya-Kurumi to the hilt in first season. Now we have Kent-Sawako-Kazehaya starting in this season.

A simple rival doesn't make a triangle, the one person in question would have to show at least some romantic interest in a "third" person. Thus Kurumi was just a rival, she never receive3d from Kazahaya that would've qualified her to be part in a triangle.

antigone · 2011-02-04, 23:11

the only thing that this show got going for it right now is the above-average visuals. The characters, on the other hand, feel shallow, while the pacing of the story is sluggish. I can't really say if it's the fault of Production IG or the inherent flaw of the source material. Probably the latter. Something built around misunderstandings as a plot device does not really suit well for me.

Avvesione · 2011-02-05, 04:36

In addition to the whole Sawako-Kazehaya-Kurumi and Kazehaya-Sawako-Kent situations, there was the Ryu-Chizuru-Toru situation in the first season. I'm interested to see Episode 5 since we get to see the wedding and get some development between Chizu and Ryu.

I'll have to admit, I am more interested in that relationship than the one between Sawako and Kazehaya, just because we haven't seen much of it since the middle half of the first season.

king12354 · 2011-02-05, 23:48

I wouldn't say the plot is built around misunderstandings. These types of problems are very common in regular high school life albeit not always to this degree.

Flower · 2011-02-06, 09:49

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHige

ARGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

I really do like Kimi ni Todoke, but at the same time I feel like punching out a kitten everything I watch an episode. The development is so painful and slow, why do I continue to subject myself to this? ~_~

Who knows? Because you like your weekly dose of "d'awwwwwww", maybe?

I can relate to what you are saying, though.

For me the pace is not so bad - I don't mind slow as long as the story obviously goes somewhere. When it does not feel like it is going somewhere or is just "too slow" is when it drives me up the wall. For myself an example would be "Love Hina"....

broken270 · 2011-02-06, 14:08

Spoiler:

MeoTwister5 · 2011-02-09, 05:41

So episode 5 Kento has revealed his true intentions and has gone and fucked it all up. Way to go jerkwad.

Shiroth · 2011-02-09, 06:24

Spoiler for Episode 05:

2011-02-02, 18:21	Link #223
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	The dark force is strong with the male Kurumi (Kent). Poor Kazehaya, getting manipulated like that. I hope he can get out of the mess he's allowed himself to get into. Obviously, Kent is trying to go after Sawako and is trying to get rid of the competition (Kazahaya). I wonder what does Kurumi know about Kent. __________________

2011-02-03, 12:42	Link #227
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	i hate how there is no forward movement at all. i know this is how the manga is like, (i felt the same way then) but i think they're stretching it out a bit too much. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.

2011-02-03, 13:49	Link #228
HurricaneHige Uguu~ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada	ARGGGGGGGGGGG!!! I really do like Kimi ni Todoke, but at the same time I feel like punching out a kitten everything I watch an episode. The development is so painful and slow, why do I continue to subject myself to this? ~_~ __________________ Sig's coming soon ~_~ (since 07....) My rant blog (omg i'm blogging now, and not just anime)

2011-02-03, 14:08	Link #229
Avvesione Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	What would Kimi ni Todoke be if it progressed quickly? I think everyone here wants to see Sawako and Kazehaya together but without any struggles, hardships, over-thinking or misunderstandings, then it's just like every Suddenly Girlfriend anime out there and the romance would be terrible. It's so incredibly hard to find a good romance in anime, so I'm glad Kimi ni Todoke is around since it does it right. While I'll admit the pacing has been going at a snail's pace, it's not a bad thing because it fits the character's personalities. Sawako is socially fragile and confused, so she couldn't rush through things even if she tried. Kazehaya, on the other hand, could try to speed things up, but he's nervous about the whole thing, too. If others tried to push things through, it'd make things even worse (as was explained by Ayane in this episode). So while the pace may be slow, it's what works for the series. __________________ Anime Blog: http://avvesione.wordpress.com/ Twitter: @Avvesione

2011-02-05, 04:36	Link #235
Avvesione Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	In addition to the whole Sawako-Kazehaya-Kurumi and Kazehaya-Sawako-Kent situations, there was the Ryu-Chizuru-Toru situation in the first season. I'm interested to see Episode 5 since we get to see the wedding and get some development between Chizu and Ryu. I'll have to admit, I am more interested in that relationship than the one between Sawako and Kazehaya, just because we haven't seen much of it since the middle half of the first season. __________________ Anime Blog: http://avvesione.wordpress.com/ Twitter: @Avvesione

2011-02-02, 16:36	Link #221
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I kept thinking "Life would be so much simpler if they'd just let Yano run it". Other thoughts: - brave attempt, but I just can't think of any dress - especially the puffy, frilly ones - that'd make Chizu look attractive. I guess I just can't get over her stupid face. She's not fugly or anything, and there's nothing wrong with her body or personality, but she's just plain physically unattractive to me. - Kent is... infuriating. I can accept his intentions are good. He's misunderstanding the situation, yes, but he's not totally absurd either. Based on his understanding, his advice isn't bad. But he's basing said understanding on rumors and superficial acquaintance. Who is he to presume to speak for Sawako? Even more infuriating: his insistence on Kazehaya not getting angry and giving him a fake smile. People's emotions don't exist for his convenience.

2011-02-02, 18:00	Link #222
GreatTeacherKen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: California	Good episode. I liked the way the animators depicted the scene where Chizu realized that she inadvertently said something that hurt Kazehaya with the lighter lighting the fuse at the bottom of the screen.

2011-02-04, 23:11	Link #234
antigone Member Join Date: Jan 2011	the only thing that this show got going for it right now is the above-average visuals. The characters, on the other hand, feel shallow, while the pacing of the story is sluggish. I can't really say if it's the fault of Production IG or the inherent flaw of the source material. Probably the latter. Something built around misunderstandings as a plot device does not really suit well for me.

2011-02-05, 23:48	Link #236
king12354 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	I wouldn't say the plot is built around misunderstandings. These types of problems are very common in regular high school life albeit not always to this degree.

2011-02-06, 14:08	Link #238
broken270 Defying gravity Join Date: Jul 2010	Spoiler: Kazehaya really likes things to go his ay and does not want people to interfere in his attempt to have a relationship with Sawako. Having to hear it from Kent may be a bad thing, but it does not look as though he has that bad of an intention for saying it. Yes, he may have feelings for Sawako himself, but so far I am seeing this as him trying to push the right buttons, but getting all of this wrong in the end. We then see Chizuru trying to give him her insight about their relationship, and that did not bide too well either. I feel sorry for Ayane, who is probably as fed up as I am about the progress of their relationship. She seems to be the only one who truly knows what is going on and tries to compromise everything while giving her support to them. I like it how Chizuru automatically thinks of the easy and simple attempts to solve all of their problems while Ayane understands just how complicated things are and allow them to figure out the problems for themselves.

2011-02-09, 05:41	Link #239
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	So episode 5 Kento has revealed his true intentions and has gone and fucked it all up. Way to go jerkwad. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2011-02-09, 06:24	Link #240
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Spoiler for Episode 05: This episode flowed so well, even if the wedding scene was extended so that cliffhanger could happen. I can see a lot of people disliking Kent after that last scene, but really what he sees is Sawako in pain over this whole ordeal, and he's just doing what he thinks is best. Sure it might be going a bit too far with it, though it's just the kind of guy he is. Plus it's not even known that his intentions are to get Sawako to fall for him, which i'm sure a lot of people are going to think that's his motive after watching this episode. I absolutely loved Yano doing Chizu's make-up scene in the manga, and loved it all the more here. Shame there was no S.E.N.S. to make up that scene, though Yano's words easily push the scene forward. Could easily get away with saying Ryu and Pin make the best combo when it comes to love advice. So the real drama will kick start next week. Thankfully the preview didn't spoil anything for new viewers. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter