Danganronpa [PSP] - Game discussion

[Tyabann]

His skill makes the maximum number of evidence bullets three.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

There are just as many people who hate "weeaboo" names and want translations to localize everything as much as possible.

I know people who hated it when Atlus left Japanese honorifics in the English dub for Persona 3 and 4.

Then why just Monokuma? Why not name Hagakure "Steve", or Asahina "Janet". Why single out Monokuma for having a different name in English? If you wanna be thorough, be thorough.

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

I know this is not the right place, but don't you guys think too that one of the posts in the anime thread is a bit too close to the truth considering too vital clues for it are still missing?

Actually, could it be that you're so caught up in your agony over "how they left out everything" that you can't even imagine that someone actually figured it out using clues that WERE there?

No seriously, I looked it over, carefully, no reference was made to stuff that did not happen in the anime.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Actually, could it be that you're so caught up in your agony over "how they left out everything" that you can't even imagine that someone actually figured it out using clues that WERE there?

No seriously, I looked it over, carefully, no reference was made to stuff that did not happen in the anime.

Not agony... despair... despair....

Jokes aside though; I just think its kinda unlikely that someone figures out what maizono did without figuring the dying message out at first glance or the incinerator room part.
Given they got both in the meantime, after someone repeated the incinerator room again.
Though the part about the dying message is a bit peculiar.
As said though it might be just my post-mystery over suspiciousness.

[hamazura]

maybe the anime is for people who watch and enjoy the case, not solve the case...
ah, not maybe, but must be...

btw just finished ch.4, well my speculation goes right... but... i hesitate my spec will goes wrong when dat asahina did something so stupid at trial and make the case more more more confusing by lying here and there sigh i know she is airhead but... Its already at the level of stupid -_-
you cant do it booby girl, you are not togami... -_-
you were my fav girl, but now is kirigiri

i cant imagine other student kill / killed / suicide except 16th student and fukawa...
So is there still trial class in ch.5 and 6?

[Klashikari]

Since some discussion could potentially disrupt an unrelated thread, going to reply some quote here.

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

This is probably what I hated most about Danganronpa, especially after being informed about Monokuma's motivations for pitting the characters against each other.

Spoiler for Danganronpa specific, END. Open at your own risk:

He does it for his own entertainment. And it turns out that all of the characters were friends and had their memories wiped before everything began.

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

^ No. I understand everything, that's why I hated the notion of Danganronpa.

In fact, how people seem to enjoy the story of Danganronpa makes me wonder how they were able to stomach the violence. DR was the reason why I created this thread, but there are other series with similar themes which may have incited my rage in the past as well.

I'm not going to pretend I'm void of bias here, but I really think you are mistaken Marcus:

Spoiler for Discussion over the mastermind motives, END SPOILERS:

The whole point with the Kibougamine students being killed after their memories were erased was plenty explained I believe: Junko is the essence of despair by definition, and what's better than simply crush humanity hope by making the said people turning against each other?

Of course, Junko is an insane antagonist, no doubt. But at least, her objective is "sound" from a villain perspective, and never falter aside of her true objective, instead of doing things "for the hell of it". Heck, even the death of Mukuro was essentially an additional step towards her grand scheme of things, even though Mukuro could potentially aid her in a better fashion than just being a corpse.

Suffice to say, obviously Junko has huge S and M tencendies, but considering the setup and all, is that really far fetched?
I mean the whole "appeal" with Junko's deranged attitude isn't because she is plain crazy, but that her metholody is actually "sound" even if she could do things clean. In fact, if she was as clean like Togami or whatever, things would have been sort of a mood breaker considering her objective by itself.

As for my appreciation for the game, I feel rather offended how you think people who appreciated the game was just because of the violence whatsoever, or "could stomach the killing".

I for one was frustrated to see some likable characters being outright killed without much solution to the problem. Suffice to say, not only their deaths aren't gratuitious, but they do encompass the objective of the mastermind behind all this mess.

And frankly, some deaths are also a good example of how it is hardly possible to have goody 2 shoes characters only. In fact, some other fictions had much more gratuitious deaths such like Battle Royal and Gantz, and that's really not the whole deal with DR.
Frankly, I really don't get how you are supposed to present a deathmatch style story with that kind of fate at stake, without having disturbing content.

[hamazura]

Ah fak, it seems my game/emulator trigger a bug...
at ch.5 after Masked-man death, togami order naegi to check specific place with new key.
No matter where i go to one of the four location to check, there always "endless loading" and even its not, when i investigate the one of four door, no text appear, its just blank text but the game and bgm still running, i cant press anything execpt ESC/psp home button.

Any solution? -_-

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by Dengar

By the way, I don't quite understand why some people would be bothered by Monokuma being Monokuma. I mean, that's what his name is. I thought people hated it when character names got changed during translations.

Not sure if this refers to me, but for the record: Again, Monokuma being left as-is doesn't bother me. I was just surprised that it was left intact, is all. I figured they would localize the name or something instead (I used a Phoenix Wright example before, but I think a better comparison here would be how "Kuma" was changed to "Teddie" in Persona 4, who's also a goofy bear character). Otherwise, I don't really have any complaints.

Originally Posted by Klashikari

In general, the game is still rather too easy even in Malicious because the phases are too obvious. The only peculiar parts are chapter 6 MTB, which can be extremely annoying due to the negative tempo spam and how big the opponent inflience gauge is.

I dunno.... personally, I found the trials can still be pretty tricky even if you know all of the correct answers. Even crazier is that the sequel really ups the ante in this regard in several ways. That's one of the main reasons I enjoy this series so much in the first place!

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Not sure if this refers to me, but for the record: Again, Monokuma being left as-is doesn't bother me. I was just surprised that it was left intact, is all. I figured they would localize the name or something instead (I used a Phoenix Wright example before, but I think a better comparison here would be how "Kuma" was changed to "Teddie" in Persona 4, who's also a goofy bear character). Otherwise, I don't really have any complaints.

Not you specifically. Although what you said did remind me of what I heard elsewhere.

[Marcus H.]

Spoiler for Danganronpa END SPOILERS:

The whole point with the Kibougamine students being killed after their memories were erased was plenty explained I believe: Junko is the essence of despair by definition, and what's better than simply crush humanity hope by making the said people turning against each other?

Of course, Junko is an insane antagonist, no doubt. But at least, her objective is "sound" from a villain perspective, and never falter aside of her true objective, instead of doing things "for the hell of it". Heck, even the death of Mukuro was essentially an additional step towards her grand scheme of things, even though Mukuro could potentially aid her in a better fashion than just being a corpse.

Suffice to say, obviously Junko has huge S and M tencendies, but considering the setup and all, is that really far fetched?
I mean the whole "appeal" with Junko's deranged attitude isn't because she is plain crazy, but that her metholody is actually "sound" even if she could do things clean. In fact, if she was as clean like Togami or whatever, things would have been sort of a mood breaker considering her objective by itself.

I hoped Junko would be destroyed by her own obsession, just like how

Spoiler for Koreha Zombie Desuka Season 1:

Kyouko, after killing and taking the souls of countless people, was punished by Ayumu by killing her over and over until her last life is left.

I never liked Junko or Monokuma, period. And neither do I like Danganronpa.

I wanted the time I played this game back.
I never signed up for this.

[Klashikari]

well...

Spoiler for Dangan Ronpa 1, ending:

I really can't compute the issue here. The game was rather straightforward with its battle royal premise, and a early "despair" inducing environment was pretty much established. Even before the conclusion of the first class trial, the narrative was pretty much solid in term of what to expect.

Obviously, people don't like Junko for what she has done or anything. I personally can't sympathize at all, and very likely most players wouldn't either. At least, Junko was a "special" antagonist for sticking with her creed from start to finish.

And frankly, her plan being foiled this way was arguably not a good thing for her anyway. If anything, it stopped her tracks hard, and she is downright destroyed so I don't know what you are talking about.

Furthermore, It would have been insulting if "everything is happy now that Junko is defeated!" especially how the world became way before the actual present events went.
That being said, the fact the essence of despair itself was defeated by 6 students is enough to expect a good conclusion later on.
Far from being a happy ending, this bittersweet one actually shed some hope for a ruined world, which follow perfectly the themes explored by the game from start to finish.

Not like I'm trying to make you change your mind, but I just don't get your perspective at all.
Especially considering the subject of the thread you have made, DR arguably doesn't fit the type of story were "characters deaths are meaningless".

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Spoiler for Danganronpa END SPOILERS:

I hoped Junko would be destroyed by her own obsession, just like how

Spoiler for Koreha Zombie Desuka Season 1:

Kyouko, after killing and taking the souls of countless people, was punished by Ayumu by killing her over and over until her last life is left.

I never liked Junko or Monokuma, period. And neither do I like Danganronpa.

I wanted the time I played this game back.
I never signed up for this.

1)

Spoiler for DR end game:

She was destroyed by her own obsession. She wanted despair, and so she inflicted it upon herself as the final act when she could have easily defied her own rules and survived. Naegi wanted her to survive.

2) Your example from that show does not hold ground, because:

Spoiler for Koreha Zombie Desuka Season 1:

Kyouko survived. The point behind the scene was that Ayumu forgave her since he met Eucliwood thanks to the experience.

If anything, Kyouko's fate was much more forgiving since Ayumu intentionally spared her.

[Marcus H.]

Not like I'm trying to make you change your mind, but I just don't get your perspective at all.
Especially considering the subject of the thread you have made, DR arguably doesn't fit the type of story were "characters deaths are meaningless".

I was forced to plow through the event by some friend of mine who thought that it was a great game.
It wasn't. I didn't enjoy every single moment of it. I wanted to punch the monitor every time I see a DR character.
Yeah, I'm truly, madly, deeply pissed at the experience.

[Klashikari]

No offense, but not only you hardly explain "why" the game sucks, but I hardly don't get why you simply didn't stop the game right after the first trial then, if you really hated it even before the conclusion of it.

To each of their own, but I felt the need to put my own grain of salt, because instead of an opinion, you stirred quite "statement" there, even using DR as an example of senseless display of death/violence, which is arguably not the case.

[Marcus H.]

It may be just me talking with rage in my veins, so apologies for that.
That said, I'm a person who is terribly weak when it comes to explaining shit, so you'd probably not understand it even if I try to explain it to you.

However, you can just summarize my thoughts as "simply not enjoying most of the major aspects of the game".

[Traece]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

It may be just me talking with rage in my veins, so apologies for that.
That said, I'm a person who is terribly weak when it comes to explaining shit, so you'd probably not understand it even if I try to explain it to you.

However, you can just summarize my thoughts as "simply not enjoying most of the major aspects of the game".

If you're referring to the overall controls of the game and the system they use for the trials, I partially agree. It's not the most polished system in the world, and as far as murder mystery games go it's pretty standard stuff.

Though frankly I found my enjoyment of the game came from the investigations and the dialogue of the characters. The first case isn't exactly that big of a deal, and since it's a tutorial that's not a huge surprise. Case 2 however will always be engrained in my memory as being absolutely fantastic.

[hamazura]

No manga reconstruction mini game in chapter 5
is there anybody who able to solve this case before trial? even though the trial is very easy, for me the case is a lot harder than case 2 where togami is a dick, now the dick is monokuma himself -_-
i never expect our naegi or kirigiri (or even the rest of survivors, whom they dont even know mukuro exist) kill her, and there is a class trial to force us to choose who the culprit between them.
Is this what you call 'paradox'?

[zetsubo666]

I apologise if this has been asked already but could someone please tell me if there's anywhere I can read Dangan Ronpa Zero LN translated?

[hamazura]

And i actually had finished the game....
man... I feel the despair coming... I barely defeat the third crazy MTB... Only 1 heart remaining
and dat ending...

Spoiler for ...:

man, that was easy, after getting the clue from over 5 chapter, the mistery of kibougami is very easy to solve
anyway junko is reaaaaly insane...
She had despair-complex, zetsucon, and make the 'battle royale'-like setting, it was scary, despair come to me when i figured out they are a good good classmate until junko play his cards...

So what happened in real world? Its impossible for a single terrorist group to put massacre all over the world without ninjutsu, chakra, ki, mana, magic or anything super powerish. is junko only exaggerating the condition? Or maybe alien from Gantz really invade earth

just some question guys about mukuro ikusaba.
she is like junko, a member of MMMMM right?
And her original purpose to participate is to be junko's 'mole'?
if junko is her boss/comrade and know everything, why did she broke the violence rule and step on monokuma? Just to be punished?

oh and is there a video of complete social link? I want to see all of them. I want to complete one remaining event with kirigiri in chapter 3, but i rush celes skill instead, i want to complete it later but there are no free time chance with kirigiri in ch 4-6

Cases difficulty level from easiest : 6>1>3>4>2>5
some (or many) ar predictable, but thats not bad, actually its good, this made me use my brain to think, if the case too hard like conan, i never think anything and just enjoy the show

need sequel
So, how many years until english release / fan-translation come out?

[zetsubo666]

Originally Posted by hamazura

Spoiler for ...:

So what happened in real world? Its impossible for a single terrorist group to put massacre all over the world without ninjutsu, chakra, ki, mana, magic or anything super powerish. is junko only exaggerating the condition? Or maybe alien from Gantz really invade earth

just some question guys about mukuro ikusaba.
she is like junko, a member of MMMMM right?
And her original purpose to participate is to be junko's 'mole'?
if junko is her boss/comrade and know everything, why did she broke the violence rule and step on monokuma? Just to be punished?

Spoiler:

According to Junko she said her despair was contagious like a plague and whatever happened 1 year ago was the cause of it spreading so quickly, with even genocider syo confirming it I don't think she's lying.

I think Mukuro's role was to provoke someone into commiting the first murder but in the end wasn't necessary and then she was to be locked up for going against the school rules and move around as the sixteenth student but instead junko changed plans and decided to kill her there to set an example.

[marvelB]

Man, to think the series finally got its own subforum.... Such joy I'm feeling now!


Anyhoo:

Originally Posted by zetsubo666

I apologise if this has been asked already but could someone please tell me if there's anywhere I can read Dangan Ronpa Zero LN translated?

It hasn't been fully translated yet (more like halfway, since the first book is done), but a translation can be found in Something Awful's LP thread for the sequel, which I linked to in this thread's first post. Thankfully, that thread's OP has all of the necessary links listed right there, so there's no need to surf through a sea of spoilers to reach the next update (and I believe that spoiler ad business was taken care of already, so....).