2013-03-31, 19:07 | Link #1901 |
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The trajectory of Alibaba's character doesn't seem to match with how he was presented during the first half. He was steadfast, clear of purpose, and probably the last person you'd expect to collapse ideologically on himself, as shown the previous episode. Sure, he was a goof, but he was a goof who stuck to his beliefs -- see how he was willing to fight his friend to end the bloody uprising that was causing a heck of unneeded death.
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2013-03-31, 19:15 | Link #1902 | |
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2013-03-31, 19:18 | Link #1903 |
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The problem is, we know this was something the staff cooked up because they thought that Alibaba was "too mature". They even said so! So it was a late-production change... for what? Added drama? And because they didn't want to shift to Hakuryuu as a viewpoint character?
I really hate to bring what happened in the manga into this, but just for comparison sake: Spoiler for Comparison:
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2013-03-31, 19:29 | Link #1904 | |
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BTW, "the staff made changes" is not equal to "anime is ruined", i.e. the Rozen Maiden anime staff made a ton of changes over the manga and it was way more enjoyable. |
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2013-03-31, 19:31 | Link #1905 | ||
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I haven't read the manga, so I don't feel that Magi, in general, has major pacing issues, though there's been episodes where I felt that things were dragged out just so it could end at a cliffhanger. Quote:
Anyhow, I'll probably watch season 2, because I like the characters (well... with one notable exception now) and the setting, while clinging to a faint hope that they'll somehow undo the mess that they've created. |
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2013-03-31, 19:37 | Link #1906 |
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^ Also, go to the One Piece anime thread...you'll see plenty of people that haven't checked the manga yet that thread is plagued with people complaining about pacing issues.
Ogon's stuck on a "Every negative opinion about the anime is a manga fanboy making comparisons" binge and while this does happen, it's clearly now what's happening here. Hey, if you liked how the anime developed then fine, good for you, but don't instantly assume others don't like something just because they are manga fanboys. Well either that or he's just trolling. |
2013-03-31, 19:37 | Link #1907 | |
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@Randrak42 I am not a fan of one piece and even less so of fanboys, so what kind of logic suggests I should go there? Fanboys will be fanboys, the more commercial the product the more rabid they wil be. I expect better of Magi. If I am stuck then please give arguments, finger pointing has never been a valid argument. |
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2013-03-31, 19:38 | Link #1908 | |
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Sorry, but this is turning into a case where we'll have to agree to disagree. You seem to like what's happening, many of us don't. Let's leave it at that. If this escalates to a proxy "Me" versus "You're all sour grapes!" exchange, I will not hesitate to hit the report button.
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2013-03-31, 19:53 | Link #1909 | |
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Different can mean bad. Alibaba's characterization in the latest arc is little different from your standard whiny shonen protagonist. It should be understandable why this sort of characterization is far less interesting than the one presented in the manga, which features a more mature and at peace Alibaba. A character who actually learned and developed naturally and properly after the events of Balibadd. This sort of backpedaling development is a complete disservice to everything that has built him up. Furthermore, he's supposed to be a King's candidate, and clearly if he cannot mature, then there's no reason to believe he really is qualified whatsoever. We can't root for him because in the end, he gives us little reason to be confident judging from this latest arc.
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2013-03-31, 20:16 | Link #1910 |
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Based on what I've read of the manga (which is only part of what the anime has covered and nothing after) I think it would be fair to say that an element of "dumb it down" exists here. Part of that is obvious, considering the writer - stupid is as stupid does. But there seems to have been a conscious element of "standardizing" a non-standard shounen manga for anime cliche - make sure it has a teen male lead, and make sure he's a classic Kaji Yuuki whiny doofus.
What interests me now is how that will impact things, going forward. I don't think there's any question that one of A-1's deliberate choices (though judging by a stroll through Akiba or ACE the marketing department didn't get the message) is "Alibaba is now the main character". I think someone made the argument that an anime with a child (or someone who appears as one) as the MC wouldn't push the right buttons to be a commercial success. From what I know of the next major arc, it seems as if it would be impossible to continue to follow that directive. Is it possible A-1 will veer from the manga and go with a completely new storyline so they can continue to push Alibaba at the lead?
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2013-03-31, 20:25 | Link #1911 | ||
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2013-03-31, 20:30 | Link #1912 | |
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More importantly, what other reason would they have for dramatically shifting the focus of the series away from Aladdin and onto Alibaba, if not that? For me it meets the Occam's Razor test, but it's strictly my best guess.
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2013-03-31, 20:33 | Link #1913 | |
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I like this A1 better than the anime company A-1. |
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2013-03-31, 20:40 | Link #1914 | |
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His dear friend turned into a Dark Djinn in front of him, blamed him for everything and then DIED. Alibaba grieved. Now some person he's just met dies in front of him and just happens to have a sad background, yet that's enough to push him over the edge and turn him into the enemy side? Am I really supposed to be OK with that? Was Balbadd pointless in terms of character development? |
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2013-03-31, 20:45 | Link #1915 | |
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It's odd, because in SSY and Magi you seem to have a perfect abject lesson in the right and wrong ways to do an anime adaptation from A-1, and they even aired over the same two seasons. It just goes to show that the people involved are a more important factor than the studio in itself. The studio's role is to provide the people, and some obviously do a better job consistently than others in doing that. But despite not having a huge budget the creative team at SSY did a brilliant job, and despite starting out with a decent budget Magi was something of a clusterfuck.
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2013-03-31, 21:25 | Link #1916 | ||
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2013-03-31, 21:52 | Link #1918 | |
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I feel the pacing is good in some episodes, but dropped in Zagan. Hell, the Zagan arc is awful compared to the rest of the series. The animation is lower in quality, it's choppy with no Prince Zuk... err Hakuryuu development, and the plot seems to be written episode by episode, instead of flowing. I'll stay with Magi because I try not to drop animes ever, and the next arc looks interesting, but they've got a lot that they need to improve upon. |
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2013-04-01, 15:06 | Link #1919 | ||
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As for Magi's anime... I did say the only part I hated was they butchering certain characters (especially as a manga reader that knows the original character before they got 180 degree changed) + I did state I am not dropping the series but only skimming the anime instead of watching it like normal (IE: skipping 3~5 sec using KMplayer for fast watching) Quote:
Alibaba in Manga is basically the opposite of what you've seen him in Anime. (except for the first arc - which was around the same before Alibaba turn awesome in the manga) |
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2013-04-02, 13:38 | Link #1920 |
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just watch the last episode, it was ok for the ending, but they make Alibaba to weak.
the only thing wrong about this season was how they change Alibaba, the rest was ok no good, no bad either.
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