Steins;Gate - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll

[Kotohono]

Really a great episode though I am still left wondering if Mayuri is really saved or not .

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

I have the feeling that this wasn't the last thing we have heard from Suzuha and really hope that I'm right.

As for how far the D-mail goes back:
If the same rules that apply to the Time-Leap also work for the D-Mail: Just to the point where the D-Mail was first activated (Taken from Kurisu's explaination)
This theory of Kurisu's would concide with the thing they probably took their idea for the D-MAIL from a mixture of D-Mail and Time-Leap Microwave : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRWwI...eature=related

The D-Mail doesn't have the same as the Time-Leap[they used to mail back before Ruka was born remember], The Time-Leap is more restricted for other reasons, not it's creation, as Kurisu stated 48 hours would be the most ever implying even if it had been there for a week you could only do 48 hours at once, though you could still chain back to it's creation.

[spawnofthejudge]

Things I noticed:

The spot on the floor where the IBN would be if it were in the lab was never shown. It may be there. Or it may be at the Shrine. Older!Suzuha probably did that in the first place, when the Lab was chasing it the first time through.

Someone more astute than I noticed that there are no headphones on the desk, and mentioned that Kurisu is not in the lab. This means multiple possibilities. One, we traded Mayuri for Kurisu. Two, without the Time Leap machine, SERN has not yet decided to raid the lab, and thus Mayuri remains living until they do so.

Either way, Kurisu may not be a lab member, which sets back some progress made during the Suzuha arc.

When Older!Suzuha was wondering as to whether she managed to change the Divergence Number on the meter, it changed the instant she traveled, and because she traveled, she doesn't remember what the old number was, or if it was different. Only Okabe can. So even Physical Time Travel suffers that restriction, it seems.

While we'll likely not see any more Physical Time Travel, it does seem like a combination of Time Leaps and D-Mails will be necessary to get a Good End out of all of this.... possibly erasing Time Travel from the equation entirely? (This would be particularly potent if the creation of the Time Leap is the event the 'kills' Mayuri)

Many thoughts and possibilities. I love it.

[jeroz]

Haven't cried so hard for so long now. This is real emotional works doing its job.

the dilemma of choosing between fate and memory. The forever curse of being the lone observer.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by TheEroKing

Since she went back to the past the whole present was changed so I doubt Braun met Suzuha as his part time worker.

Mayuri: "All the time we remember spending with Suzu-san won't have happened."

So I doubt anyone knows her except for Okabe and Braun.

I don't know about that. The fact that a D-Mail could get her to leave on time implies the world-line still accepts and acknowledges the fact that she did, in fact, stop by the year 2010.

Originally Posted by Ekureiru

Seeing that preview, I could swear some kind of shocking relation is coming for us with Feyris. Watch all of our worst fears come true, and they tell us that Feyris is actually, indeed, the mother.

Don't see how we'd find that out. Suzuha is 19 in the year 2036. So she was conceived 20 years before that, so not until 2016. Since the story is in 2010, no one should be pregnant with her for another 6 years.

[creb]

Originally Posted by TheEroKing

Since she went back to the past the whole present was changed so I doubt Braun met Suzuha as his part time worker.

Mayuri: "All the time we remember spending with Suzu-san won't have happened."

So I doubt anyone knows her except for Okabe and Braun.

The rest of the Future Lab members still remembered her, meaning she did work for Mr. Braun in the present. This is prior to Okarin sending his D-mail. Remember, if she hadn't been there in the present as a part time worker, no one but Okarin would have remembered her. But, they all did.

[Klashikari]

Although White Fox didn't make a perfect adaptation (not saying it was bad, just few changes that didn't make much sense), they definitely delivered Suzu's plight and pulled the heartstrings despite I already got emotionally pummeled by the VN

It is yet another role that confirms how well Yukarin can deliver a whirlpool of emotions. To think I thought she was a mismatch at first when I started reading S;G

[ruurguy]

Originally Posted by GDB

Don't see how we'd find that out. Suzuha is 19 in the year 2036. So she was conceived 20 years before that, so not until 2016. Since the story is in 2010, no one should be pregnant with her for another 6 years.

Well, if Daru and Feyris were to start having feelings for each other and shown that way on screen then one could imply (given no other information) that she would be the mother. She doesn't have to be pregnant to imply that, we got tons of subtle and not so subtle hints for Daru. The last names not matching does leave a bit of a gap though unless Feyris or Daru change their last name in the future (hiding from SERN?) I'll probably just wait and see.

[EroKing]

Originally Posted by creb

The rest of the Future Lab members still remembered her, meaning she did work for Mr. Braun in the present. This is prior to Okarin sending his D-mail. Remember, if she hadn't been there in the present as a part time worker, no one but Okarin would have remembered her. But, they all did.

hmmn a bit confusing how the whole time concept works in the S;G world.

[ruurguy]

Originally Posted by TheEroKing

hmmn a bit confusing how the whole time concept works in the S;G world.

Most time travel plots, especially one as extensive as Steins;Gate can get confusing. Any specific part you are finding particularly troubling or the entire thing in general?

[EroKing]

nothing major and i'm pretty sure most things would make sense at the end of the series

[Eater of All]

Originally Posted by TheEroKing

hmmn a bit confusing how the whole time concept works in the S;G world.

Here's how the current 0.4% worldline progressed:

1. Okarin decides to hold party for Suzuha, calling Daru in from his meeting
2. Okarin wants to follow Suzuha, but is threatened by Kurisu not to do it
3. Okarin receives D-mail, "Do not give in to your assistant's threats. Follow Suzuha"
4. Okarin receives D-mail, "Cancel pursuit. Last mail was SERN's trap" (thx to Gohan78 for translation)
5. Suzuha sets sail for the past, with her memories of everyone and vice versa up to August 10th intact

[erneiz_hyde]

Originally Posted by Eater of All

Here's how the current 0.4% worldline progressed:

1. Okarin decides to hold party for Suzuha, calling Daru in from his meeting
2. Okarin wants to follow Suzuha, but is threatened by Kurisu not to do it
3. Okarin receives D-mail, "Do not give in to your assistant's threats. Follow Suzuha"
4. Okarin receives D-mail, "Cancel pursuit. Last mail was SERN's trap" (thx to Gohan78 for translation)
5. Suzuha sets sail for the past, with her memories of everyone and vice versa up to August 10th intact

But that doesn't explain why Suzuha remembered the name Hashida. She didn't knew her father's name before, and most likely not after getting amnesia.

The first time she got there though, can be explained because she went after her reunion with Daru (and perhaps subconsciously remembered it), but the second time she supposedly never had a chance to learn who her father was. Yet both times, her name remains Hashida Suzu.

Supposing that Hashida Suzu is actually her real name doesn't make sense either, because she should've noticed Daru's similar family name and begin to suspect him as her father much earlier.

[Eater of All]

Originally Posted by erneiz_hyde

But that doesn't explain why Suzuha remembered the name Hashida. She didn't knew her father's name before, and most likely not after getting amnesia.

The first time she got there though, can be explained because she went after her reunion with Daru (and perhaps subconsciously remembered it), but the second time she supposedly never had a chance to learn who her father was. Yet both times, her name remains Hashida Suzu.

Supposing that Hashida Suzu is actually her real name doesn't make sense either, because she should've noticed Daru's similar family name and begin to suspect him as her father much earlier.

I originally thought maybe Okarin's D-mail somehow allowed Daru to go to meeting and Suzuha to know who her father is, but it only prevented him from chasing her so that's not right.

Dunno, maybe the anime is missing something, or it'll be explained later.

[FlareKnight]

I'm kind of wondering (or hoping to avoid more depression from this episode) that Suzuha's decision to kill herself had some tactical value. I mean if she dies at about the same time regardless then she knew there wasn't much time left. Definitely very possible that it was just too much and she took the one route out of the fact that her mission failed. But also possible she was trying to push Okabe to making the decision he did. She should know how much they care and how painful her suicide would be for them. Along with the letter it'd be enough for Okabe to make the decision not to stop her so the time machine wouldn't break down. Dying while feeling like everything was meaningless is horrible, dying to try for a better future might at least have some meaning.

[RadiantBeam]

Currently trying to think of something to say about this episode besides "My heart, my heart is filled with a great pain," but not having much success with it.

I am a little concerned about the absence of Kurisu in the episode's ending, though. Probably not a major thing, since I don't think not stopping Suzuha would affect her and personally I don't think this alone is enough to save Mayuri, but it's worrying all the same given this show's track record.

[dark998]

Well, at least Mayuri was saved (for now?) but sadly the destiny took another life in exchange of hers. Not all outcomes can have a happy resolution.

And yeah, never saw coming that twist about Daru being Suzuha's father.

[Iby]

How 'bout this? Because Okarin hadn't stopped Suzu, the events changed and they just didn't finished time leap machine yet? And everybody's alive.

[Icarus10]

Great episode... The Suzuha part was really touching, especially because she failed after all.

And damn, the Steins page on Wikipedia is full of spoilers... And a major one is just from the next episode ¬¬

[OTAKU-MAN]

Spoiler for Suzuha's mother:

[erneiz_hyde]

Originally Posted by OTAKU-MAN

Spoiler for Suzuha's mother:

Spoiler:

Rather than for Suzuha's mother, I'm more surprised with Daru becoming that BADASS lol . Where the hell does that came from anyway?