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Shooting in Las Vegas, 58 killed, 515 wounded
Gunman kills at least 50, wounds 200 in Las Vegas concert attack
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN1C70FU
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2017-10-02, 07:29 | Link #2 |
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BBC article here.
On deaths alone this is numerically the biggest mass shooting in American history.
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2017-10-02, 07:45 | Link #3 |
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I've seen some videos of it. It's a very disturbing and horrific watch. These people were gunned down from above. Many of the survivors who were in the open field were very lucky the shooter didn't aim at their direction (or when he ran out of bullets giving them some opening to run away).
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2017-10-02, 08:31 | Link #5 |
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It's tragic.
But the truth is, I'm numb to this by now. It's just another mass-shooting in America. The US made a choice, and Americans chose not to hold their representatives responsible when there was a chance to make a meaningful difference. It doesn't help that the US now has a government that has gone to unprecedented lengths to normalise the inexcusable. It's sad that innocents and police officers died. But this is America's problem, and the rest of the world has other things to worry about now that the US is determined to surrender any semblance of moral leadership. |
2017-10-02, 09:15 | Link #7 |
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I don't know how such distinctions make any difference other than to politicise a problem that's already highly contentious in American society.
To me, it's a regular mass-shooting, as such crimes have always been. This desire to label it as terrorism is a much more recent phenomenon, inspired unfortunately by increasingly polarised views over race and social class. I would prefer that terrorism isn't brought up, because I do see them as different things. And that's my point of view as a foreigner looking in. Clearly, for Americans, it's a different matter altogether. |
2017-10-02, 10:53 | Link #11 |
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This guy managed to bring something like nine weapons including an AK-47 style assault rifle into a hotel. I know this is Nevada, but really, has the hotel no policy on weapons in its rooms? I can understand hunters bringing rifles on a hunting trip, but can't the hotel require that they be stored in the hotel's vault? I'm waiting to hear their explanation about how a guest managed to carry a small arsenal into their hotel.
Under current laws, you can't stop people from carrying handguns into hotels, but no handgun could have caused a slaughter of this scale.
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2017-10-02, 11:21 | Link #13 |
AS Oji-kun
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Hotels could have rules abouts no guns in their rooms. They choose not to pay attention. Yes, enforcement would be difficult, but at least the hotel would have a policy to enforce. They might lose some business, but I bet that would be made up for by people like me who would prefer to sleep in a hotel knowing that's unlikely someone has an assault rifle in the next room. After all, twice as many households in America do not have a gun as those that do.
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2017-10-02, 15:13 | Link #14 |
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Tally is up to 58 now with 515 injured. Had a few coworkers there but they are fine.
Regardless if this is a mass shooting or a terrorist act, people are dead and injured. @TinyReadLeaf Gun laws, politicians, cameras, rules, none of that matters. People will get a weapon if they're desperate. It doesn't matter if you live in America or not. Just give your condolences, but if you don't care, then you have no reason to be blaming the country and the government on the act of an individual. People can and will get what they want.
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2017-10-02, 17:25 | Link #15 |
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I'm pretty sure there's a correlation
https://i.imgur.com/X5hzeYF.jpg Also https://twitter.com/Calebkeeter/stat...72808110510080 As for the motivation? I suspect this is another Andreas Lubitz some jilted boyfriend committing mass murder |
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Key Board has linked a couple of points for you to consider. But, of course, you can continue to insist that people who want to kill will continue to find means to do so. Which is true, I grant you that. But that alone won't explain why mass shootings of this scale happen so regularly in the US. The proliferation of small arms is a problem. We can argue whether it is the cause. But it would be incredibly delusional to not even consider that there is, at the very least, a correlation. But, I don't want to turn this into another inevitable gun debate, because I know how that will end. As I said, Americans made a choice. They'll have to live with it. |
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(To be clear, I'm all for gun control. I'm just saying that graph doesn't actually say much.) |
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2017-10-03, 05:01 | Link #19 |
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Las Vegas gunman described as well-off gambler and a loner
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN1C721O
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I mean, for example, a medieval war zone would have plenty of homicides, but zero gun deaths. If you do look at the homicide rate (by whatever means), the US isn't at the top, but it does keep company with much poorer, more politically unstable countries. Is it the guns' fault? Are the guns a symptom? Who knows? And to get back a bit on topic, I came across a pretty depressing tweet. "In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over." So, yeah. Sandy Hook didn't change anything, this won't either. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2017-10-04 at 00:46. |
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