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Bennia Lover · 2018-01-16, 23:29

@Crimson Oh yeah they never had a surname in the first place.

Lucidrago · 2018-01-17, 00:01

God was weakened. What don't you understand about that?

And it takes more than one powerful being to win a war. And consider that Indra, one of those Hindu gods, has power that rivals four Satan-class beings combined. So add in like 20 fallen angel leaders and 10 Seraphs and it's not as easy to win a war like you think just because there's one powerful being.

If any of the Trimurtr did what God did you guys would be sll over them talking about how powerful they are. And think about this for a second. What really stopped the other pantheons from attacking Christianity? Each of them had many powerful gods while Christianity only had one. So what was stopping them? Just having an exorcist who could take on a high-class devil was super rare. I don't believe that any of the original Maou, the Seraphs, or the Fallen Angel leaders were god-class. And God was the sole god of Christianity. So what exactly was stopping them?

vietthai96 · 2018-01-17, 00:48

Some vague statement doesn't prove anything, you need to remember that Author's Words > Feat > Multi-Statement. In order to prove something correct we need atleast multi-statement that point to the same goal. If you use that single statement to prove power of Bible God, then i teal that Sairaor and have power to blow-up a planet because Azazel told that if someone master Regelus Nemea can split the earth to half, and Ddraig have power to blow-up Earth because he said that he can destroy the world few time over. They call that kind of statement without feat or other proof to back-up or without Author's Words is hyperbole. Do you guys understand?

They don't attack because of many reason(lesser race destruction include human that not good for a pantheon because they need follower,etc...); or for the plot convenience

You think that attack other is so simple that you stronger than them, yeah go attack them. If that correct so USA already blow-up North Korea or whatever weak country, no offend for American member and other country member. Each Patheon always steadily eyeing other Patheon, if you not careful it can blow into full-scare Supernature World War where each Patheon attack each other or something like WW2 that 100 time more terrifying than normal World War

B214 · 2018-01-17, 00:51

Weakened or not. There is nothing to indicate that Bible God is stronger than Shiva. Anyhow as to why they hide God's death. Devils need people to believe in God in order for them to believe in Devils. That's to make contract with humans. Angels need people to believe in God for many reasons like church and exorcist.

syzorst · 2018-01-17, 04:21

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Originally Posted by B214

Weakened or not. There is nothing to indicate that Bible God is stronger than Shiva. Anyhow as to why they hide God's death. Devils need people to believe in God in order for them to believe in Devils. That's to make contract with humans. Angels need people to believe in God for many reasons like church and exorcist.

Why do devils need humans to believe in them? Devils don't need human's faith like gods do.

B214 · 2018-01-17, 05:28

If people stop believing in God would they believe in Devils?

syzorst · 2018-01-17, 05:37

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Originally Posted by B214

If people stop believing in God would they believe in Devils?

Why should is matter to the devils if humans is aware of their existence? We know gods needs humans to believe in them as a source of their power but nothing is stated the same for devils. Issei had a hard time believing the existence of devils when he first learned about Rias being one.

godz · 2018-01-17, 08:06

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Originally Posted by vietthai96

Some vague statement doesn't prove anything, you need to remember that Author's Words > Feat > Multi-Statement. In order to prove something correct we need atleast multi-statement that point to the same goal. If you use that single statement to prove power of Bible God, then i teal that Sairaor and have power to blow-up a planet because Azazel told that if someone master Regelus Nemea can split the earth to half, and Ddraig have power to blow-up Earth because he said that he can destroy the world few time over. They call that kind of statement without feat or other proof to back-up or without Author's Words is hyperbole. Do you guys understand?

They don't attack because of many reason(lesser race destruction include human that not good for a pantheon because they need follower,etc...); or for the plot convenience

You think that attack other is so simple that you stronger than them, yeah go attack them. If that correct so USA already blow-up North Korea or whatever weak country, no offend for American member and other country member. Each Patheon always steadily eyeing other Patheon, if you not careful it can blow into full-scare Supernature World War where each Patheon attack each other or something like WW2 that 100 time more terrifying than normal World War

if we go by deeds God even dead has many more feats than those of shiva (which has an equally relevant date than the one I brought)
the one that sends is one, there is another one of cao cao
not to mention that he was the only God of the three fractions and it was a taboo to name his death for fear of reprisals ... because as I reveal azazel to loki that blame God and not them the arrival of the bible to their lands.

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Originally Posted by B214

Weakened or not. There is nothing to indicate that Bible God is stronger than Shiva. Anyhow as to why they hide God's death. Devils need people to believe in God in order for them to believe in Devils. That's to make contract with humans. Angels need people to believe in God for many reasons like church and exorcist.

the angels need God, but the demons do not ... they can continue to interact without God, but they needed the weight of their name not to be attacked by Gods or beings of other mythologies, you do not remember the explanations of rias a issei or that she would be shocked to learn of his death.
if they knew before the covenant that God is dead, there would be war to take their territories (or recover) among all the fractions.

Bennia Lover · 2018-01-17, 08:18

If you are saying God used to be in the Top 10 simply because he sealed 666 and Ddraig and Albion, you are saying Rossweisse is in the Top 10. Rossweisse can seal 666 meaning she can seal anybody; she has the same level of talent for sealing as God and that just shows God really wasn't that impressive, if somebody else can do it quite easily.

DragonOsman · 2018-01-17, 08:26

And there's no way God was as powerful as Shiva. We don't know for sure how powerful he was, but I think he was around the same level as Ddraig and Albion in their prime.

Lucidrago · 2018-01-17, 08:27

When did Rossweisse seal 666? Oh that seal that basically did nothing to it? Did she create a seal that could permanently stop Trihexa? God applied beaucoup forbidden seals on that thing and permanently sealed it. He was probably like the only god that could do it. And when Rizevim was unsealing 666, he had to use two of the most powerful weapons that God created.

And think about who created the Sacred Gears. If any other god did that(like Shiva) people would be gushing about him. And not to mention that Brahma's in the Top 10 and is a god of creation. So is Ajuka in his own right. God's like the most major god of creation. And he has way more feats than Shiva despite being dead.

One is that I'm not saying that God is in the Top 10. But he was powerful to be able to permanently seal Trihexa on the spot. But he's at least as strong as Odin and Zeus and the other chief gods.

And two, I just don't feel like God is inferior to the Hindu gods. You say they have cheat-like abilities but what are they? While God has done several things that are considered cheat-like.

DragonOsman · 2018-01-17, 08:29

Yes, you're right. So what Bennia Lover said there isn't exactly a good comparison.

But you do know that Rizevim said that God sealed Trihexa without anyone knowing, right? He did it silently. It's possible that Trihexa was asleep.

Bennia Lover · 2018-01-17, 08:32

She sealed it's movements! That's still sealing. She learned to do that so quickly. With time she could learn to seal a being like 666 permanently: she has proven she has the potential for that. And I think she will because 666 can only be sealed as said by Shiva unless prime Ophis or Great Red decide to kill it; Rossweisse will be the one in time to come up with a permanent seal for 666.

Edit: Yes it was mostly likely asleep and if so, that downplays God's feat.

godz · 2018-01-17, 08:54

and how could he have found trixeha? He was at the end of the world and may have awakened when God found him ... he is a sealing genius and it should not have been anything for God to create a barrier that would isolate him with trixeha.
but I must remind you of the quotes that make them similar to ophis or just ignore it to continue with the nerf to God ... do not remember that the seal of rosseweise was only to stop it to have ready the sealing plan of the more than 30 beings powerful

God as revealed Rizevim was the only one who knew the existance of trixeha and who named him as a great network.
not to mention that the seal was made with the help of all the fractions and elements of them were used as knowledge of the Nordic tree.

rizevim I consider incredible to God and apohis flee from his will for fear of losing his conscience.
not to mention that we do not know anything of brute power ... they remind me of those who considered a weak hashima for not overwhelming the third hokage.

Lucidrago · 2018-01-17, 09:01

Now I don't doubt that Rossweisse could develop a seal to seal Trihexa. But could she do it on her own? Think about how much power it would take to seal that beast? God was weakened because of it and died in the war because of that. I seriously don't think there's any one else in the world who could seal Trihexa with their own power on their lonesome like God did.

DragonOsman · 2018-01-17, 09:07

God had power on the level of the Top 10, probably on par with Ddraig and Albion in their prime. But Rossweisse's talent in sealing could still be on par with God. It's not that far-fetched.

@godz: The quote you showed about God having infinite power similar to Ophis could mean anything. Let's not jump to conclusions yet based only on that one quote when we don't even know how to interpret it (yes, we don't know).

godz · 2018-01-17, 09:16

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Originally Posted by DragonOsman

God had power on the level of the Top 10, probably on par with Ddraig and Albion in their prime. But Rossweisse's talent in sealing could still be on par with God. It's not that far-fetched.

@godz: The quote you showed about God having infinite power similar to Ophis could mean anything. Let's not jump to conclusions yet based only on that one quote when we don't even know how to interpret it (yes, we don't know).

there is another one with cao cao, another one of ddraig where he considers ophis the only being that God can not face without preparation and that his hatred is strong that can affect ophis and great red, the only confirmed thing that affects both beings.
they take advantage that he is dead to apply the nerf.

bodo · 2018-01-17, 09:20

Spoiler for Ise's confession to Koneko and Kuroka (machine translation jp>en):

“Koneko-chan, Koneko-chan, Kuroka are you okay, can you hear my voice?”
“...... Ise-senpai? Ise-senpai is that you?”
“Sekiryuutei-chin, What’s going on? Shirone’s voice, also comes out and it seems like it is being directly appealed to the heart…”
Ise explains “paiphone” …
“To be honest, I want to refuse communication ...”
“If so, let's settle it while Sekiryuutei-chin is listening, Shirone!
“The one who wins will be his bride. How is that?”
“Whoa! I…Ise-senpai’s bride will be me. Even if is nee-sama I will not be glad.”
‘No, it is different.’
‘I'm going to make both my brides! If you decide by victory or defeat, I cannot overlook the defeated as I aim for Harem King! Koneko-chan!’
‘Accept my proposal! Become my wife.’
“…Yes.”
‘And Kuroka!’
“Ha ha ha”
‘Are you falling in love with me? Really?’
“Initially I thought you were a substitute for Vali. Vali likes to fight. When I am with you, my mind jumps and it's fun just hanging up. Because I wanted only a child, the child of dragon… I wanted strong genes. If Vali does not work, you do. But, now it is different. ...... I cannot help it, you are an idiot, straightforward and skilful, but you are stupid ... after all it's foolish only to have Shirone only, but you care for me ...... My sister's peace, you gave me a place to live… When I stay with you… I relax. ...... Just watching your smile makes me love from the bottom of my heart…”
-The voice of Kuroka’s hart contained tears-
“It is a foolish challenge for us like this. You’re all hurt, aren’t you? Even though the opponent is a god… I will not fall in love with a man who will protect us against the divine opponent! No, for a long time, I was hooked up to a man named Hyoudou Issei ... ... I liked it.”
‘All right. I also like you, I love you? There is no reason not to be conscious of a woman who talks about genes. Beyond that, I am watching your everyday life ... I'm worried, but I'm thinking that you are a good woman who treats Koneko-chan as important, as to make her sister something more important than anything else.’
‘It's all right with me, isn't it?
”You are good. Sekiryuutei … No, Issei! I want a gentle child!
‘Then, together with Koneko-chan you will be my wife. Yeaaaaaaaaaaah!’

When I have time I will look for Kuroka original surname (I think is mentioned).

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Koneko is now Shirone Toujou and Kuroka is also Toujou. (don’t know what will happen with the name Koneko)

godz · 2018-01-17, 09:25

Then Vali had a lot of opportunity with Kuroka, but I let her pass until Kuroka found a better man ... Woah that's strong
As a fan of Valixkuroka I am happy and angry.

B214 · 2018-01-17, 09:31

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Originally Posted by godz

the angels need God, but the demons do not ... they can continue to interact without God, but they needed the weight of their name not to be attacked by Gods or beings of other mythologies, you do not remember the explanations of rias a issei or that she would be shocked to learn of his death.
if they knew before the covenant that God is dead, there would be war to take their territories (or recover) among all the fractions.

Because devils benefit from god being "alive". More people becoming Christian means more people would believe in devils. That result in making contract easier.

2018-01-17, 00:48	Link #2663
vietthai96 The Saiyan God Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Vietnam Age: 27	Some vague statement doesn't prove anything, you need to remember that Author's Words > Feat > Multi-Statement. In order to prove something correct we need atleast multi-statement that point to the same goal. If you use that single statement to prove power of Bible God, then i teal that Sairaor and have power to blow-up a planet because Azazel told that if someone master Regelus Nemea can split the earth to half, and Ddraig have power to blow-up Earth because he said that he can destroy the world few time over. They call that kind of statement without feat or other proof to back-up or without Author's Words is hyperbole. Do you guys understand? They don't attack because of many reason(lesser race destruction include human that not good for a pantheon because they need follower,etc...); or for the plot convenience You think that attack other is so simple that you stronger than them, yeah go attack them. If that correct so USA already blow-up North Korea or whatever weak country, no offend for American member and other country member. Each Patheon always steadily eyeing other Patheon, if you not careful it can blow into full-scare Supernature World War where each Patheon attack each other or something like WW2 that 100 time more terrifying than normal World War __________________ Last edited by vietthai96; 2018-01-17 at 01:02.

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	And there's no way God was as powerful as Shiva. We don't know for sure how powerful he was, but I think he was around the same level as Ddraig and Albion in their prime. __________________

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Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	When did Rossweisse seal 666? Oh that seal that basically did nothing to it? Did she create a seal that could permanently stop Trihexa? God applied beaucoup forbidden seals on that thing and permanently sealed it. He was probably like the only god that could do it. And when Rizevim was unsealing 666, he had to use two of the most powerful weapons that God created. And think about who created the Sacred Gears. If any other god did that(like Shiva) people would be gushing about him. And not to mention that Brahma's in the Top 10 and is a god of creation. So is Ajuka in his own right. God's like the most major god of creation. And he has way more feats than Shiva despite being dead. One is that I'm not saying that God is in the Top 10. But he was powerful to be able to permanently seal Trihexa on the spot. But he's at least as strong as Odin and Zeus and the other chief gods. And two, I just don't feel like God is inferior to the Hindu gods. You say they have cheat-like abilities but what are they? While God has done several things that are considered cheat-like. Last edited by Lucidrago; 2018-01-17 at 08:41.

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	Yes, you're right. So what Bennia Lover said there isn't exactly a good comparison. But you do know that Rizevim said that God sealed Trihexa without anyone knowing, right? He did it silently. It's possible that Trihexa was asleep. __________________

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DragonOsman Dragon King Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Al Khobar, Saudi Arabia Age: 34	God had power on the level of the Top 10, probably on par with Ddraig and Albion in their prime. But Rossweisse's talent in sealing could still be on par with God. It's not that far-fetched. @godz: The quote you showed about God having infinite power similar to Ophis could mean anything. Let's not jump to conclusions yet based only on that one quote when we don't even know how to interpret it (yes, we don't know). __________________

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Bennia Lover Elmenhilde Lover Join Date: Mar 2017	@Crimson Oh yeah they never had a surname in the first place.

2018-01-17, 00:01	Link #2662
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	God was weakened. What don't you understand about that? And it takes more than one powerful being to win a war. And consider that Indra, one of those Hindu gods, has power that rivals four Satan-class beings combined. So add in like 20 fallen angel leaders and 10 Seraphs and it's not as easy to win a war like you think just because there's one powerful being. If any of the Trimurtr did what God did you guys would be sll over them talking about how powerful they are. And think about this for a second. What really stopped the other pantheons from attacking Christianity? Each of them had many powerful gods while Christianity only had one. So what was stopping them? Just having an exorcist who could take on a high-class devil was super rare. I don't believe that any of the original Maou, the Seraphs, or the Fallen Angel leaders were god-class. And God was the sole god of Christianity. So what exactly was stopping them?

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B214 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014	Weakened or not. There is nothing to indicate that Bible God is stronger than Shiva. Anyhow as to why they hide God's death. Devils need people to believe in God in order for them to believe in Devils. That's to make contract with humans. Angels need people to believe in God for many reasons like church and exorcist.

2018-01-17, 05:28	Link #2666
B214 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014	If people stop believing in God would they believe in Devils?

2018-01-17, 08:18	Link #2669
Bennia Lover Elmenhilde Lover Join Date: Mar 2017	If you are saying God used to be in the Top 10 simply because he sealed 666 and Ddraig and Albion, you are saying Rossweisse is in the Top 10. Rossweisse can seal 666 meaning she can seal anybody; she has the same level of talent for sealing as God and that just shows God really wasn't that impressive, if somebody else can do it quite easily.

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Bennia Lover Elmenhilde Lover Join Date: Mar 2017	She sealed it's movements! That's still sealing. She learned to do that so quickly. With time she could learn to seal a being like 666 permanently: she has proven she has the potential for that. And I think she will because 666 can only be sealed as said by Shiva unless prime Ophis or Great Red decide to kill it; Rossweisse will be the one in time to come up with a permanent seal for 666. Edit: Yes it was mostly likely asleep and if so, that downplays God's feat.

2018-01-17, 08:54	Link #2674
godz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2017	and how could he have found trixeha? He was at the end of the world and may have awakened when God found him ... he is a sealing genius and it should not have been anything for God to create a barrier that would isolate him with trixeha. but I must remind you of the quotes that make them similar to ophis or just ignore it to continue with the nerf to God ... do not remember that the seal of rosseweise was only to stop it to have ready the sealing plan of the more than 30 beings powerful God as revealed Rizevim was the only one who knew the existance of trixeha and who named him as a great network. not to mention that the seal was made with the help of all the fractions and elements of them were used as knowledge of the Nordic tree. rizevim I consider incredible to God and apohis flee from his will for fear of losing his conscience. not to mention that we do not know anything of brute power ... they remind me of those who considered a weak hashima for not overwhelming the third hokage.

2018-01-17, 09:01	Link #2675
Lucidrago Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: United States	Now I don't doubt that Rossweisse could develop a seal to seal Trihexa. But could she do it on her own? Think about how much power it would take to seal that beast? God was weakened because of it and died in the war because of that. I seriously don't think there's any one else in the world who could seal Trihexa with their own power on their lonesome like God did.

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godz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2017	Then Vali had a lot of opportunity with Kuroka, but I let her pass until Kuroka found a better man ... Woah that's strong As a fan of Valixkuroka I am happy and angry.