2009-09-25, 13:38 | Link #141 |
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Why is one piece so amazing? Like really. I don't think any jump manga matches to its quality. I read or still read and liked naruto, bleach, hunter x hunter, shaman king, dragon ball. I don't think i find anything nearly as creative or refreshing as OP.
I personally think that Oda's focus on luffy, and having all eyes on him is more or less logical and consistent with the portrayal in the story. Luffy has almost always been recognized in the story by the old gaurd (Roger Era pirates) as someone with amazing potential. The only people who don't recognize that potential were generally his enemies. He's that genius inspirational kid in a field where few survive the one kid that might go somewhere in a field. Like most shonen archetype those kids are always cocky (chatting to white beard as an equal). It isn't that surprising that their superiors show a certain amount of fight. I also think luffy isn't at a level where he can be considered total weakling he's defeated 2 of the shichibukai who are also present. What interests me is the balance of power seems to be fading. It seems like the way the story goes, Ace is likely to be saved. Whitebeard is likely to fall sometime soon. Luffy will be propelled up, and the shichibukai seems like its going to fall apart. 3 of its members are almost outright against WG. (BOA, Black beard, Kuma). Jimbei quit.
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2009-09-25, 13:58 | Link #143 | |
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Actually, from a Shonen perspective this is what it is usually done. You keep these people powers in hush for long, heck, Is possible you wont see someone as Whitebeard actually having an all out Vs. fight in this entire series. I think Phenom what you are asking here is more for Fanservice than what you claimed that putting Luffy here was Fanservise.
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2009-09-25, 14:04 | Link #144 |
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And here it is now the World powers arc...It's time to throw down. Cell Games, Cell went out against Goku right off the bat, the pain invasion arc, Pain got busy immediately. No different in this war, where this is suppose to be the main powers stage who tried to get busy but stopped and decided to take pics of Luffy..fanservice.
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That being said, I don't understand. Whitebeard "got busy" (god that sounds stupid) in his first chapter...or ddi you forget the giant tidal wave that nearly killed everyone? And right after that were constant bearing of claws and ganshing of teeth by several of the big dogs until Oars made a break for Ace and he was promptly butchered (which is what would have happened to Whitebeard or Marco). So, once again, your complaint is simply fallacious, and for someone that claims to only be "reporting" what happens in any particular chapter, you sure have selective memory as well as a fond appreciation for editing events to fit your pre-exsisting bias... The war may not be what you wanted (I can't really argue against how you predetermined this war should play out, though I can point out that what you want doesn't matter to the actual story being told (don't you use that line every other post in the Bleach subforum)), but for you to claim that Whitebeard and company haven't been fighting, when literally anyone that looks through these images can see they have been, is simply silly. Quote:
"sigh", your line of reasoning for why the current chapters are "bad" is that Whitebeard and company aren't charging forward like Luffy is in this chapter. So, of course, we (myself and several other posters) pointed out the instance where one of Whitebeard's men charges forward. In the end, you are arguing non-canonical information (Oars placement in the ranks) to prove a non-exsistent point (no-one important is charging forward). We do not know how important or unimportant Oars is to the Whitebeard crew, he could be the 5 or 6th most powerful for all we know. But, even if he was the weakest, it wouldn't matter because your line of argument is centered around any of Whitebeard and his company charging forward. Consequently, you have been proven wrong. edit: Quote:
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2009-09-25, 14:18 | Link #146 | |
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This is not really the world power ARC, this is the rescue Ace arc which started in Impel Down and the climax was set-up to be here. we only are seen a transitions between places Whitebeard already showed a glimpse of what he is capable of, There is no character there intended to fight whitebeard directly, he is not a Principal character where the author can have the luxury to throw at him a Named Villain. Unless the Author just want to make someone defeating him and establish a villain power (which With Whitebeard I doubt it happens). Everyone of the named Villain in this war has an intended fate with a Principal character, except maybe for Moira, who had his own Arc and was defeated already, so his relevance in the story has been diminished. And can now bee used as Canon Fodder just like Cocodrile. Again the main difference here is that Both Pain and Cell where villains, whereas The whiteberd crew are presented as the good guys in this arc.
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2009-09-25, 14:33 | Link #148 | |
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I guess you can see him as Captain Yamamoto from Bleach (until the point I left the Manga) He was a strong presence, but one that we havent seen actually fighting (Again, up to the last chapter I saw, he didnt had a fight) I can dare and say like Jiriaya, were it took us 300+ chapters to see him at true force or Itachi for that matter.
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2009-09-25, 14:57 | Link #150 | |
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But, to be honest, and is possible I said it in older threads, is that I never envisioned Whitebeard to have real cengtersatge like the one you are asking for. heck, everyone of us Knew that sooner or later that Luffy was going to reach the center stage.
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And was Akainu magma fist meaningful to the story? Or Boa kiss shot? Or Hawk's "strength test"? Did they hurt anyone named? Will those moves affect the battle in any ways? Quote:
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Luffy hardly pulls mega power out of the air. He pulls out damage ENDURANCE. Which triumph character's will power that apparently every fighting shounen manga out there have. I talks about manga's time, you dodge it and talk about number of chapters. You said I was wrong about Luffy with no explanation. Quote:
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And What they did (Iva winked once, Jimbei took on an opponent that he would have an advantage) I consider hardly backup. I said that, but you just said "no, it's backup," without whatsoever explanation again. Quote:
And I said it's logical to have the big names come to the stage later than the cannon fodder. How about drawing the cannon fodder first (luffy) and draw the big shots several chapters later? (And don't say: they already be there for 5 chapters, you will just dodge my points that the time interval is short in the manga again) How about saying where that is wrong also? Don't just dodge it. Quote:
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Also, how about YOU tell us how will Whitebeard recklessly jump in the middle of 3 admirals and 5 shichibukai and save Ace and come back alive. Quote:
I said that it is logical for him use cannon fodder to occupy enemy's big names, to wait and observe. How about explain why that's wrong instead of ignoring it? You Just dodge what you cannot argue, again. If all you said is how bad it is, but cannot describe properly how should the manga have gone, and can only say in general "whitebeard should have done his job blah blah blah..." just stop talking. I'm waiting for you to recite your same argument without any backup and ignore mine again without whatsoever explanation Last edited by Cinocard; 2009-09-25 at 15:48. |
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Oda can't show us every detail, but we have seen Marco and Jozu trading blows with admirals and shichibukai... we have even seen one of the other commanders fighting and getting owned by Doflamingo... just because we do not see what they are doing at the moment does not mean they are doing nothing... seriously, unless you want this war to be twice as many chapters long as it's really beeen, you have to accept that fighting is going on of screen... this is where anime filler will be very useful actually I mean we may not see Ao kiji at the moment, but does that means he's just chilling, or does it mean he's fighting and taking out pirates? Hell we haven't seen much Vice admrial action out of the ones we saw lined up early on, but we can be sure they are fighting Whitebeard is the ONLY one who is not fighting Quote:
Saiyan saga... MANY chapters of nappa vs DBZ minor characters before we finally got to Goku vs Vegeta Freeza Saga... MANY chapters of Gohan and Krillan... Vegeta was there too but all they did was fight minions.... how long did we have to wait for freeza to actually get into action? much less how long until Goku vs Freeza Android saga... had to go though Dr.Gero and number whatever before they got to 17 and 18... and hell they weren't even the main villians of that arc... you mention Cell, but even Cell stalled for time... instead of jumping right into battle with his complete form, he had the Cell jrs fight first before he jumped into the ring The big guys always fought LAST when there were minor characters to fight True kishimoto gets to the big guys fast... however he also doesn't include much on minor characters... i mean, atasuki supposedly has minions but none of them are used for fighting... without minions or many minor characters, kishi can get to the big guys right away... however, unlike Akatsuki, whitebeard and Sengoku DO have minions and minor characters Quote:
Marco has shown himself able to counter an admiral, Jozu can counter a shichibukai... but what about the rest? Are the other commanders enough to counter the other 2 admirals, and 4 shichibukai? We know that one of them is being beaten pretty effortlessly by Doflamingo... And hell what of the vice admirals; if the commanders move to counter the admirals and schikibukai, then the vice admirals might move in to counter them and thus leaving Whitebeard open for atleast a triple team... Hell, even if the other commanders could create an opening for Whitebeard to get to Ace; Sen Goku might have a team of Pacifistas waiting behind the platform to blast him to kingdom-come... As i said above, the whitebeards ARE already fighting and pushing through; Whitebeard is the only one shown standing by doing nothing And shattering Ao kiji isn't really that big of a deal... Luffy was able to do it to... It all part of being a logia; instead of taking damage from a punch, Ao kiji shatters and takes no damage at all... really, all whitebeard did was inconvience him |
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2009-09-25, 15:41 | Link #154 |
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It's good to see Luffy rush in and it not solve his problems. He's not gonna get far here. The assumption that he is rushing in and that it is the RIGHT thing to do seems a misinterpretation.
This battle is set out as a chess game - you can't go right for the king from the beginning. Whitebeard knows a trap has been set but can only speculate as to what it is. No wonder he doesn't want to rush in and get killed. He is clearly amused by Luffy, which is why he is willing to help him. Ultimately, though, he is using him as a chesspiece. |
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2009-09-25, 17:14 | Link #160 |
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These last pages has been bit pointless...
Phenomenom is very succesfull troll and even when I ignored him after losing all patience with him, now everyone is arguing with him and quoting his every sentence... Recently it feels like its always like Phenomenom vs Animesuki members... We come here to discuss recent chapters but after just couple pages our local troll Phenomenom emerges and starts his every weekly shitstorm and other members want to defend themselfs or just cant stand his ridicilous statesments any further and starts to argue with him. I used to enjoy seeing people crushing Phenomenon in argumenting but he is so damn stubborn and ignorant that its just wasting pages. Everyone should just leave Phenomenom in his misery, arguing with him is just what he wants... Having an good argument is always nice and one of basic pleasures in forums, but having an argument is also pointless is other guy is refuses to listen or even consider what other is saying... |
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