2012-10-13, 09:27 | Link #801 |
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The situation escalated precisely because the woman was threatened by the dominator. She wasn't about to harm anybody before that. A few reassuring words would have probably been enough to calm her down and bring her in. She was a victim, there was no need to treat so roughly.
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2012-10-13, 09:29 | Link #802 | |
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2012-10-13, 09:44 | Link #803 |
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All it read is that she was in a confused state of mind. It can't predict the future. She may have been a danger to herself and those around, or she may have not. As we've seen at the end of the episode, it doesn't take much to bring the numbers down. I think it wouldn't have hurt to use Akane's approach first, and then force if it didn't work.
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2012-10-13, 09:47 | Link #805 |
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The mere fact (?) that pointing a gun at the woman already initiates the flight or fight response that causes the Dominator to assess her as a threat worthy of elimination should already emphasize how inherently flawed this Sybil System is.
Considering that, at least from the first episode, we can glean that the system used by the cops to prognosticate potential violent and criminal is itself based on measuring a known psychological profile against current stressors. Even modern psychology would admit that this is, at most, purely predictive and not guaranteed. It might even be known that the woman he held hostage had, based on her psychological profile, had no known elements that could predict any shift towards criminal behavior. It would seem, in fact, that it was her mentally torturing experience of being raped and threatened by death that completely broke her. What we have at the end was a completely broken shell of a woman who just experienced hell on earth and was predicted to become a "violent criminal" thereof. I would go so far to as to even claim that there was nothing criminal as to what she was about to do. As I has said, she was doing what a broken mind completely controlled by the defensive fight or flight response would do. And this Sybil makes no distinction for that. That, in what I see so far, is a very critical and dangerous flaw, because no matter what your psychological profile is, it makes EVERYONE a potential threat in the system's eyes.
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2012-10-13, 09:54 | Link #807 |
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I just feel that it's very ironic that the way they treated the guy who caused all this mess is what ended up turning him into a criminal and also turned his own victim into a potential criminal according to the flawed logic of that AI that controls the system.
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2012-10-13, 10:55 | Link #809 | |
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I wonder if we are actually getting close to a system like the one in this show, and also if it makes a kind of perverted sense. In a crowded society of people all going after what they want, maybe we are always on the edge of chaos and people in authority feel they have to identify and weed out dangerous elements (like otaku or socialists or atheists) before they act. If we had a detector that could actually detect criminal tendencies, do you think that the security industry would hesitate to market it to police forces?
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2012-10-13, 12:26 | Link #810 |
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Funny that this anime's roots are in Blade Runner. I kept thinking back to Minority Report as I watched, as that was the more obvious connection to make. And, of course, both go back to the same author.
Making it bleak is a good idea but that female inspector and those cute policeman holograms (if that's what they are) kind of ruin it. Nothing tragic but they just don't really fit the rest of the setting. |
2012-10-13, 12:49 | Link #811 | |
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For example I remember this murder case a few years back that had become huge national news in the US. A woman was blamed for the possible poisoning of her husband on the ground that she didn't seem to be mournful enough. The so called justice system slammed this women's name in to ground and dragged her through the mud. Getting a jury conviction on baseless clams and popular public opinion alone without even waiting for medical examination to come back. Well guess what happened when the medical exam came back as natural cause. That is right a big time oops on the part of the part of the courts. They apologized and let her go but the damage was done last I remember she was suing the state of Florida.
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2012-10-13, 12:49 | Link #812 | |
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Reading all the thoughts about the system being flawed and ineffective, it seems that eventually we will have a plotline of the characters confronting the system and accusing it to cause chaos and people going crazy. But what if the system was right? What if the system was really capable of marking those crazy and murderous people who WILL kill someone and yet people are trying to blame the system as the cause of the crime and insanity? I just think it is one interesting plotline the series can take.
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2012-10-13, 13:59 | Link #813 |
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Basically the system itself is a double edge sword...on one side it could weed out dangerous element like those with psychopathic tendencies or dangerous element like an aggressive people, bad temper, etc but on the other side it cannot differentiate between true psycho and temporary because of situation like that of the victim in this case...
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2012-10-13, 15:45 | Link #814 | |
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Yeah, I just saw the Judge Dredd movie, this anime is IMO mix of blade runner and judge dredd. p.s. The reputation system in this board somehow reminds me of the psycho.pass in reverse, if it were to allow for increasingly negative points some members would be purged when exceeding a certain amount. |
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2012-10-13, 15:58 | Link #815 |
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I'd like to know how the therapy works, too. Are you stuck with it for the rest of your life, or is it just till you've calmed down? And if so, how long does that take?
The criminal here seemed to think it was forever, but he'd been barely holding on for a long while. The woman just had one terrible day. |
2012-10-13, 16:31 | Link #816 |
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Probably the therapy has a certain cost limit, if the subject fails to recover after having spent a set amount of resources (unless someone continues to pay the cost out of their own pocket) he is deemed a lost cause and loose their citizenship (no right to marriage, changing jobs, voting, etc.) and are stuck with routine check of your "hue" for life.
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2012-10-13, 17:00 | Link #817 | |
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@thread As for the hassle that Akane caused... think about it this way... if Akane didn't interfere and just let Masaoka paralyze the victim then it would have ended there. It was set to paralyze in the first place and Akane's reaction might have been misinterpreted by the victim that they are trying to kill her thus raising her stress even further and giving her a lethal judgement.
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2012-10-13, 17:43 | Link #818 | ||
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1. a system in the dominators and scanners, which give a preliminary assessment and recommends treatment or authorizes nonlethal force or lethal force. 2. the Sibyl system, which gives an in depth assessment of whether the target can be treated. This is why Ginoza mentions that the Sibyl judgment hasn't been received, but they can proceed anyway. The episode addresses why the dominators can authorize lethal force without a Sibyl judgment: Kagari's attempt to use paralyzers failed on the target because he was too drugged up. Thus, escalation is sometimes necessary without waiting for Sibyl's judgment. The real omission here is why we don't see evidence of a manual conversion back to nonlethal mode.
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2012-10-13, 18:26 | Link #820 | |
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And also "That said, i wonder how such system came to pass without people objecting to it?" And this is why I'm saying that why are we assuming that this world is so crazy in the first place? Why aren't we even considering the fact that the Psycho Pass is actually accurate and acceptable? Because yeah if it was soooo bad then why was it passed in the first place? Maybe we need to step back and let the show try to explain things before we say "this is flawed that is flawed etc etc" we're only at the first episode...
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