American ISPs to Police Customer Downloads in July 2012

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Ryusiangel

i use irc how will this effect it?

irc xdcc transfers are 'direct download' (one comp to one comp). They'd have to be doing deep packet inspection and possibly violating various laws unless there is a warrant. Most ISPs not owned by the 'cabal' do not want to do this.

IRC, Usenet, and direct downloads are the safest course (well.... they can be dangerous for other reasons but as far as privacy in file transfer, they're relatively safe).

[Urzu 7]

I'll have to worry with Comcast, huh? Any good alternatives to Comcast?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

So ISPs now know everything the customer is doing? Doesn't that risk a possibility of mass identity theft if someone breaks into the inspecting system?

[synaesthetic]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

So ISPs now know everything the customer is doing? Doesn't that risk a possibility of mass identity theft if someone breaks into the inspecting system?

They don't (there's no way to do it cheaply and legally), but if they did you'd be absolutely correct. Everyone here remembers the Playstation Notwork fiasco.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

They don't (there's no way to do it cheaply and legally), but if they did you'd be absolutely correct. Everyone here remembers the Playstation Notwork fiasco.

I think you are confusing identity theft with credit card theft. When they steal your credit card data the worst that can happen is that they use whatever credit is left in yout card. This can happen even if you do not have a computer or game console. Identity theft is far worse since they can get one (or more) credit with a bank with your name in it. For that they need your social security number and other personal info (that you usually should not share online, but I hear nowadays people upload everything but the kitchen sink into their facebook account). I think the risk of DPI are of another kind, I mean, by some derp USA laws some people might be jailed just because they browsed this forum and some images of Hastur (from Nyaruko-san) were in the browser cache. Remember that Nixon created the anti-drug legislation so he could jail many of his political adversaries, IMO the actual anti child porn legislation (that "protects" virtual children ) is no diferent. Anyone here read 1984?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

They don't (there's no way to do it cheaply and legally), but if they did you'd be absolutely correct. Everyone here remembers the Playstation Notwork fiasco.

Really, it would be no different from the Post Office opening and inspecting every letter and package they were delivering. If they try, the legal issues would be catastrophic. They would have more powers to spy on people than the government.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

They would have more powers to spy on people than the government.

Beg your pardon?

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

The comments section in that article is... eye opening. Yes, lets go with that.

Although the NSA does seem kind of nuts with what they can do.

So, does America have two spy agencies? Do the CIA and the NSA do the same thing or what? Or is the NSA a mix of internal security and external security, and enjoys stepping on the toes of the CIA and FBI? The NSA isn't tied to the Secret Service is it? The SS is part of the treasury or something yeah? You guys have so many acronym agencies its amusing at times, need some consolidation since half of them seem redundant.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Mr Hat and Clogs

The comments section in that article is... eye opening. Yes, lets go with that.

Although the NSA does seem kind of nuts with what they can do.

So, does America have two spy agencies? Do the CIA and the NSA do the same thing or what? Or is the NSA a mix of internal security and external security, and enjoys stepping on the toes of the CIA and FBI? The NSA isn't tied to the Secret Service is it? The SS is part of the treasury or something yeah? You guys have so many acronym agencies its amusing at times, need some consolidation since half of them seem redundant.

NSA seems to be scarier than CIA as a boogie-man these days. CIA is about secrets; NSA is about "doing things for your own good". And "Security" has become more powerful that "Spying" in the modern world. You can certainly break more rules for Security these days, and American citizens would certainly fear the NSA more than the CIA. The CIA is more focus on non-Americans.

[synaesthetic]

The NSA is about, mostly, communication and signals tech. Encrypt/decrypt, breaking and making codes, listening for bad guys talking about bad things, all of that good stuff.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

The NSA is about, mostly, communication and signals tech. Encrypt/decrypt, breaking and making codes, listening for bad guys talking about bad things, all of that good stuff.

Note that you don't know they are bad guys until you listen to them first. Hence, listening to everyone everywhere. Guilty until proven innocent.

You know, like how the Chinese government officials spy on each other and record phone conversations. Even the leader of China got his phone conversation ears dropped by a political rival.

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by Mr Hat and Clogs

So, does America have two spy agencies? Do the CIA and the NSA do the same thing or what? Or is the NSA a mix of internal security and external security, and enjoys stepping on the toes of the CIA and FBI? The NSA isn't tied to the Secret Service is it? The SS is part of the treasury or something yeah? You guys have so many acronym agencies its amusing at times, need some consolidation since half of them seem redundant.

Put simply:

The CIA engages in intelligence collection using a broad range of methods and sources, then processes, analyzes, and uses that intelligence if possible, in the form of covert action or any other counterintelligence activities related to foreign intel.

The NSA is responsible for a certain type of intel gathering, one that the CIA does engage in though not to the same degree, and that is, as syn pointed out, communication and signals intel activities, intercepted data transmissions, etc, which, like the CIA, they then must process, analyze, and report for national foreign intelligence purposes. They also protect the US's own information systems as well. To answer your question then, it is a mix of internal and external in that way, and while I can't speak for their individual agents, I would assume some of them enjoy the toe-stepping

So yeah, there is that potential overlap. And frankly, with the number of other intelligence agencies the DoD has (DIA, NRO, etc), it can just feel like overkill.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Xagzan

Put simply:

The CIA engages in intelligence collection using a broad range of methods and sources, then processes, analyzes, and uses that intelligence if possible, in the form of covert action or any other counterintelligence activities related to foreign intel.

The NSA is responsible for a certain type of intel gathering, one that the CIA does engage in though not to the same degree, and that is, as syn pointed out, communication and signals intel activities, intercepted data transmissions, etc, which, like the CIA, they then must process, analyze, and report for national foreign intelligence purposes. They also protect the US's own information systems as well.

So yeah, there is that potential overlap. And frankly, with the number of other intelligence agencies the DoD has (DIA, NRO, etc), it can just feel like overkill.

There is a reason for having multiple intelligence agencies. It is to prevent all of the country's intel from falling into the enemy's hand in one fell swoop.

Besides, it diverts the enemies' intelligence and counterintelligence sources across the board so it is difficult to decrypt everything at one time.

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

There is a reason for having multiple intelligence agencies. It is to prevent all of the country's intel from falling into the enemy's hand in one fell swoop.

Besides, it diverts the enemies' intelligence and counterintelligence sources across the board so it is difficult to decrypt everything at one time.

Oh I know. It's sad but true, even if it does feel like overkill.

[mangamuscle]

^ "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." Batou in Ghost in the Shell (1995)

[Xagzan]

Sorry, what am I doubting now? The necessity of all the agencies?

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Really, it would be no different from the Post Office opening and inspecting every letter and package they were delivering. If they try, the legal issues would be catastrophic. They would have more powers to spy on people than the government.

What, you mean they don't already? >.>

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Xagzan

Sorry, what am I doubting now? The necessity of all the agencies?

The federal goverment is doubting its agencies -_-

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

What, you mean they don't already? >.>

They would if they could, but they couldn't hire enough people to do the work.

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

The federal goverment is doubting its agencies -_-

Aha, sorry, I was unclear who you were referring to. Have yet to see the original Gits so maybe I didn't get the context