2010-04-28, 03:39 | Link #9401 | |
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Ep4 was made to be hard, since people finally started to understand a bit about Umineko after the remade easier ep3. I think that the faction idea isn't to far off. I think that probably a number of people start each game board with the possibillity to commit murder. But small events on the game board cause who decides to do it, and who the victims are. This would fit with 'if you know the answer you could make your own story', and 'you can figure out the order of deaths', and 'what will happen next' |
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2010-04-28, 03:40 | Link #9402 | |
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The bomb is probably related to Kinzo's contract with Beatrice rather than the sin. It explains why everything had to be destroyed. It was for interest.
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2010-04-28, 03:42 | Link #9403 | |
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In the same fashion, Battler's sin has to significantly change the strategic layout of the family's internal relationships, so much, that their own sins are committed or come to light or otherwise cause a cascade like an avalanche. We have lots of clues that it is a promise to Shannon. But to work in the manner described, the ball has to proceed down from there to change the lives of every Ushiromiya in a significant manner. The buck doesn't stop with Shannon.
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2010-04-28, 03:47 | Link #9406 | |
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I don't know where it came from, but one of the members here suggested his sin was promising to return to play with her every year, and when he didn't people dressed up as Beatrice and taught her magic to cheer her up.
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2010-04-28, 03:54 | Link #9407 | |
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2010-04-28, 03:56 | Link #9408 | |
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The way I'd imagine it is that he promised to play something specific. Something childish or embarrassing maybe that he'd easily forget about. Oooo Like a tea party.
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2010-04-28, 03:59 | Link #9409 | |
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That is why she so readily recognises Evatrice at first. Then derecognises her because her behaviour doesn't match the pattern Maria imagined previously. Different handwriting is the only real hangup, but - Maria gets messages in her diary. She doesn't have to actually see anyone in a dress to get them, and messages magically appearing in there would be much cooler for her.
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2010-04-28, 04:00 | Link #9410 |
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That is possible. But where is the hint that a promise was made to Maria? Mentioning him making promises now is only a tiny hint we need at least a mention of him saying something to Maria back then, otherwise I pretty sure Knox 8th won't be happy. And even if Knox 8th is my mystery teacher would so not be. Along with others, it is just too tiny of a hint. It is mostly guesswork.
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2010-04-28, 04:08 | Link #9411 | |
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2010-04-28, 04:13 | Link #9412 | |
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But it could be the other way around too. |
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2010-04-28, 04:17 | Link #9414 | |
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Erika (I think): 魔法なんてあり得ません。 あなたが、ありもしないウソ話をしている可能性があります!! Maria: これは本当の話!! I was thinking that either George or Jessica placed the candy inside the cup for her, so to her it is real magic. And the theory was that she doesn't know she's lying when she says magic exists, because she's been constantly shown it. Is that what the '話/hanashi' refers to? EDIT: Ohhh yah. Shannon knows a bit but look at how George confirms what she knows as true (like how the hell did he know?) and then coaches the situation. He tells Maria to look for a charm and then also confirms that Shannon should get back in time for something... |
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2010-04-28, 04:18 | Link #9415 | |
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Though, I'd need to see a fuller translation of this scene to give a proper answer. The real problem with the idea of Maria never seeing a living Beatrice is not that red, it's Knox 8th, because Maria would need knowledge about Beatrice, preferably in diary/grimoire-vessel format, to summon her. I don't see such a hint yet. It's just that the possibility is very tempting because at least in certain situations Maria definitely does 'summon' Beatrice. That's why she's so quiet for most of Ep1 - they're watching TV and chatting about the fools who don't understand the ceremony, I bet.
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2010-04-28, 04:23 | Link #9416 | |
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I know I might be bashed for saying this but, Maria is a little bit of a spoiled brat don't you think? |
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2010-04-28, 04:27 | Link #9418 | |
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=7563 This list only includes the rose garden and beach talk. |
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2010-04-28, 04:29 | Link #9419 | |
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But according to Nanjo, pretty much everyone on the island has engaged in Beatrice-supporting pranks for Maria's sake at least once in a while. Which is more evidence for 'no living Beatrice' idea if I can only find the vessel for summoning.
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2010-04-28, 04:31 | Link #9420 | |
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Which reminds me, both Eva and Hideyoshi are very, very aggressive during that scene. Strangely so.
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