2011-02-07, 17:59 | Link #241 |
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well then according to the Gorousei BB should've destroyed Akainu - he had his entire crew with him too
I'm reasonably sure admirals could be on par or compared to the yonkou (and obviously Marco and other WB commanders), so BB has to worry about them .. not about Garp/Sengoku though - not anymore, they retired
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I don't believe BB after acquiring the Quake ability became top tier; there were still areas of improvement he needed to work on. But after the 2 year time-skip, there's no doubt in my mind he stands at the top alongside the other elites.
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2011-02-07, 19:08 | Link #243 |
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well, in my mind elites = Yonkou, admirals, BB, Garp, Sengoku (though the latter two won't be playing actively anymore .. probably .. and they're possibly the oldest of the bunch, Kaidou & Big Mom didn't look as old as WB) .. can't say about Kong or WB commanders .. absolutely no info on Dragon
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2011-02-07, 19:17 | Link #244 |
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^ We have the same perceptions regarding elites. I'd also include Rayleigh, Mihawk, Doflamingo, Kuma, Jimbei (submerged underwater), Marco, Jozu, and Vista. These characters have all displayed truly impressive feats.
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2011-02-08, 14:54 | Link #246 | |
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The marines wouldn't divert all their attention to the BB pirates because they also wanted to get rid of the WB and NW pirates as well.
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2011-02-08, 21:19 | Link #247 | |
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Not to mention the now fleeing Monkey D. Luffy~
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2011-02-21, 15:35 | Link #249 |
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And to counter this statement, Blackbeard was taking on Sengoku and Garp at the same time during the war at Marineford. By the time it was over, he was still in good fighting condition. Furthermore, the gorosei stated that only the remaining emperors and perhaps the remnants of the WB pirates could stop BB. Taking all of this into account, it's very unlikely you statement is true.
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2011-02-21, 15:51 | Link #250 | |
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"If anybody can put a stop to his advance, it would have to be the Yonkou themselves... // ...or else Marco the Phoenix and the other remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates." So according to the Gorosei, Marco > Blackbeard. Which really isn't surprising in the slightest because if Blackbeard is too scared to fight Akainu even with the support of his entire crew, he's obviously going to be weaker than Marco on his own. Unless you think that Akainu > Sengoku and Garp, then it's clear that those two were holding back for whatever reason. I mean it's not a coincidence that Oda had that battle off-panel.
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2011-02-21, 15:56 | Link #251 | |
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The point is, very few could oppose BB by that point. He had become incredibly powerful. Why would Sengoku and Garp hold back? There was no reason why they should. BB was a real threat with his darkness and quake abilities.
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Cnet is considered the most reliable and says this:
"If anybody can put a stop to his advance, it would have to be the Yonkou themselves... // ...or else Marco the Phoenix and the other remnants of the Whitebeard Pirates." http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/23870 Quote:
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The point is, if Blackbeard was strong enough to take these two on at the same time, he wouldn't have runa way scared from Akainu. Unless you think that Akainu > Sengoku and Garp.
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Yes it is. Just like how Shanks intercepted Kaido from trying to stop WB. That in no way implies Shanks>Kaido. Quote:
I've already explained that BB fleeing from Akainu doesn't imply he's weaker. Read post #242.
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Stopping someone like Blackbeard who's goal is to become Pirate King would be defeating him. It's clear that's what the Gorosei were saying. You disagree? Blackbeard getting completely fodderized by a half dead Whitebeard was honestly so pathetic. I don't see that happening to any top tier. Sure, Blackbeard now has the Gura Gura, but that only increases his offensive power, it doesn't change the rest of his poor stats. Though I'm confident Blackbeard is a top tier now after the time skip. Quote:
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Defeating Akainu would have gotten him the battleship, and defeating Akainu deals with a threat that's probably been chasing after them like a madman for the last 2 years.
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He wouldn't have gotten the battleship no matter what. Akainu would see to that personally by destroying it himself if necessary.
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At least, that is how I interpreted the scene. That being said, I don't agree that Akainu would've taken the down the Blackbeard Pirates if the latter hadn't turned tails. I think the combined might of the Blackbeard Pirates would've been victorious, but I also think that they would've incurred heavy casualties (which might have included Teach himself) and that was not a price Teach was willing to pay for a battleship (and there was always the risk of Akainu, after realizing he was going to loose, burning the ship in obstinate rage...). I also think that Blackbeard wanted time to prepare both himself and his newly acquired crew (i.e. time to grow stronger) before taking on adversaries such as Akainu. Specifically, he didn't flee because he was scared of Akainu, he fled because the time wasn't right. |
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there's no way for any one inidividual to triumph over the entire BB + crew .. i wouldn't give that feat even to a prime WB or Roger or prime Garp or Kong or anyone .. that crew is most likely a yonkou crew with a potential Yonkou at the helm
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I definitely agree with this, but that still doesn't change the fact that Blackbeard wasn't immediately owned by Garp and Sengoku. You said it yourself, his condition was fine. I didn't say he was as strong as the duo. Quote:
Good point. But he still would have dealt a major blow to the Marines by taking out an Admiral. I really don't think it's a coincidence that Oda had Blackbeard fight with Sengoku and Garp off-panel.
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People tend to forget that it was Blackbeard HIMSELF who put those scars on Shanks BEFORE he had his Devil Fruit, and BEFORE Shanks lost his arm. Now, put said person against somebody like Akainu with both the Quake AND the Gravity power?
I think it'd be a good fight, but again, Blackbeard would come out in the end. And who cares if Blackbeard was getting trounced by a half dead Whitebeard? If I recall correctly, that same Whitebeard proceeded to beat Akainu with half of his head ripped off.
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