Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Yuuji can barely use his POE to cast a Fuzetsu and reinforce some part of his body to lessened/nullify the attacks dealt on him.

However, his POE doesn't grant him a fearless position. Psychology is very important in such matter, and I don't think anyone can blame Yuuji to be freaked out completely as his "body" is frightened to death by Pheles' presence/aura and intention.
The first time was a mere image, and Yuuji flipped as he felt he will be utterly destroyed, completely ignored by the green haired tomogara.

Here, we got true Pheles going happy extracting on him, while he doesn't have any way to protect himself. A fuzetsu wouldn't help and Yuuji obviously doesn't have any clue nor knowledge to "how to blast a crazy tomogara, before getting utterly demolished".

That's a overwhelming instinctive fear He got, which is quite logical. (any calm or retaliation attempt would look awkward or wrong in fact)

I haven't read them, but isn't he a lot less of a GIANT WUSS in the novels? WHY can't JC Staff adapt things accurately?

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I haven't read them, but isn't he a lot less of a GIANT WUSS in the novels? WHY can't JC Staff adapt things accurately?

I don't agree with "giant wuss" there. I haven't read the novel for this late in the story either (meh, Viz is too slow), but what else do you expect J.C.Staff to do? Yuji would only either have to stand there, freeze and grasp, or scream like he already does.

He may be a bit incompetent, but "giant wuss" is over stretching.

Imagine... errr, actually, can't think of a good example right now.

[lua thien]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Yuuji can barely use his POE to cast a Fuzetsu and reinforce some part of his body to lessened/nullify the attacks dealt on him.

However, his POE doesn't grant him a fearless position. Psychology is very important in such matter, and I don't think anyone can blame Yuuji to be freaked out completely as his "body" is frightened to death by Pheles' presence/aura and intention.
The first time was a mere image, and Yuuji flipped as he felt he will be utterly destroyed, completely ignored by the green haired tomogara.

Here, we got true Pheles going happy extracting on him, while he doesn't have any way to protect himself. A fuzetsu wouldn't help and Yuuji obviously doesn't have any clue nor knowledge to "how to blast a crazy tomogara, before getting utterly demolished".

That's a overwhelming instinctive fear He got, which is quite logical. (any calm or retaliation attempt would look awkward or wrong in fact)

Don't you think he might have learned how to at least respond after his first run-in with Pheles? Perhaps he could just poke her eyes out when she got close to call out to Johan? What makes it strange is that Margery, Wilhelmina, and Shana only watched but no immediate action from them.


Well, Yuji was scared stiff in his first encounter against the Rinne in Season 1 and, when Wilhelmina recreated that Rinne in Season 2, all he did was run before Shana told him to attack.

[TougeSil80]

Generally in shows like this the main character is a wuss. Yuuji is a already better than a lot of the other main characters (Shiro from F/SN comes to mind). At least now he can cast a fuzetsu without much problems. And remember, the Pheles at the end is her real body, so she's much stronger than the fake one, Yuuji can probably sense her energy, so being scared in that situation is normal.

I wonder what Hecate's plan is though, maybe she tipped off Pheles about the location of the Reji Maigo.

[Sterling01]

Or it could be the fact that he had a arm coming out of his body.

Also Shiro isn't a wuss He's just Dense

[minhtam1638]

I watched the episode, and don't mind me, but I feel there's something really lacking in this episode. Since when and why does Shana start calling Kazumi by first name?

[defrule]

Is Hecate supposed to be strong? She seemed mada mada in season one.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

I watched the episode, and don't mind me, but I feel there's something really lacking in this episode. Since when and why does Shana start calling Kazumi by first name?

Since they bonded over their mutual affections for Yuji.

What's 300% more mysterious is why everyone is calling Shana "Shana-chan".

[KholdStare]

Meh, 9/10. Hearing Shana saying "Kazumi" was all it took.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

What's 300% more mysterious is why everyone is calling Shana "Shana-chan".

Yeah. I felt it was kind of a deux ex machina maneuver of "er... it's a nickname?" And everyone just accepted it.

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by ProtoMan

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one / one of the very few who is/are enjoying the love triangle for what it is, how it has evolved from a traditional bickering rival relationship, to a respect each other relationship, to an actual friends relationship, where both Yoshida and Shana improve each other while maintaining a more than cordial friendship. I enjoyed this episode from start to end... possibly because i always enjoyed S1 more for the peaceful moments and how Guze's and Earth's inhabitants interacted with each other than the battles. Aw well, to each to his own

No, you are not the only one I like the love triangle as well, but I can understand those who say that the x times "I wont loose to you" is annoying them.

However what I find much more annoying is that Yuji is incredibly dense, Yoshida confessed to him in S1 and he knows that Shana has some feelings for him as well. But what does he do?
1) Doesnt hear what Shana says at the end of S1
2) Doesnt realize that both Shana and Yoshida are fighting over him
3) Cares more for Konoe than Shana / Yoshida
4) Ike tells him to respect the feelings of other people and all he says is "Oh..."
5) At that rate we will have to wait for 6 more seasons until he makes the (wrong) decision.

Oh, and before I forget, there is one more thing thats also annoying, its the people who are constantly asking for more action in S2

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

No, you are not the only one I like the love triangle as well, but I can understand those who say that the x times "I wont loose to you" is annoying them.

However what I find much more annoying is that Yuji is incredibly dense, Yoshida confessed to him in S1 and he knows that Shana has some feelings for him as well. But what does he do?
1) Doesnt hear what Shana says at the end of S1
2) Doesnt realize that both Shana and Yoshida are fighting over him
3) Cares more for Konoe than Shana / Yoshida
4) Ike tells him to respect the feelings of other people and all he says is "Oh..."
5) At that rate we will have to wait for 6 more seasons until he makes the (wrong) decision.

Oh, and before I forget, there is one more thing thats also annoying, its the people who are constantly asking for more action in S2

Very agreeable on your point about Yuji's denseness. After looking at what happened to Eita though, I wonder how thing would change if Yuji were to thought Shana was dead at some point in the story. Will he follow the same road that Eita did?

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by tiachopvutru

Very agreeable on your point about Yuji's denseness. After looking at what happened to Eita though, I wonder how thing would change if Yuji were to thought Shana was dead at some point in the story. Will he follow the same road that Eita did?

Somebody forgot about season 1, episode 21.

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

No, you are not the only one I like the love triangle as well, but I can understand those who say that the x times "I wont loose to you" is annoying them.

However what I find much more annoying is that Yuji is incredibly dense, Yoshida confessed to him in S1 and he knows that Shana has some feelings for him as well. But what does he do?
1) Doesnt hear what Shana says at the end of S1
2) Doesnt realize that both Shana and Yoshida are fighting over him
3) Cares more for Konoe than Shana / Yoshida
4) Ike tells him to respect the feelings of other people and all he says is "Oh..."
5) At that rate we will have to wait for 6 more seasons until he makes the (wrong) decision.

Oh, and before I forget, there is one more thing thats also annoying, its the people who are constantly asking for more action in S2

yuji knew everything, but he just doesn't want to choose.

[Kiyoru]

Hm, interesting episode. Just when I was starting to like Pheles ;_____;

aw, well. there is a plus side - moar action next episode.

[The Real Nemo]

Originally Posted by defrule

Is Hecate supposed to be strong? She seemed mada mada in season one.

Unknown at this point, so far the only special abilities we've seen from her are her synchronizing with Yuji and the fact that she can take in a potentially endless amount of existence without ever being filled.

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by defrule

Is Hecate supposed to be strong? She seemed mada mada in season one.

she is after all a guze no ou and one of the leaders of bal masque, so i wouldn't consider her being weak

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

Somebody forgot about season 1, episode 21.

It's true I forgot about that. Now that you mention it though, I can only remember it vaguely. Shana was pierced through in trying to protect Yuji... actually, I think he did think Shana was dead (even though I'm still a bit unsure). Anyway, my bad.

(although now I feel a bit disappointed in Yuji )

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by The Real Nemo

and the fact that she can take in a potentially endless amount of existence without ever being filled.

That never really made much sense to me. Denizens have a capacity? What's to stop any Denizen from consuming more poe?

[mikesince83]

I was a little surprised with this episode. To be honest, I thought Pheles was only being introduced to serve as yet another unrequited love for Yuji. At first this episode in particular seemed on track to confirm my suspicions till it did a 180 in the last few minutes. I'll be looking forward to seeing how this develops.