[Manga] Chapter 340 Discussion

[chuckcsf]

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

Spoiler:

-Of course one shouldn't underestimate Sharingan's "analyzing abilities". The proficiency that an Uchiha has with it varies from member to member. For instance I doubt Itachi would be taken down like Kakuzu and I expect him to be able to predict (but not copy) Naruto's new jutsu. Still, it's pretty damn amazing what Naruto has accolished. Kakashi's words do seem to indicate that Naruto has indeed surpassed him, even if by the smallest of margins...

-And poor little Sasuke, whatever shall he do when he finds himself on the receiving end of the Rasenshurinken? Bah, let him go home and cry to mommy. Oh wait, I forgot, he hasn't got either. In that case let him whine and complain to Orochimaru and his slave Kabuto...

Spoiler for Sauske:

I think Naruto's goal is to save Sauske, not kill him! So I doubt Sauske will be in the receiving end of that jutsu.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by chuckcsf

Spoiler for Sauske:

I think Naruto's goal is to save Sauske, not kill him! So I doubt Sauske will be in the receiving end of that jutsu.

Spoiler:

Naruto is not going to save Sasuke using sweet talking, that was made clear during their last meeting. He will either help Sasuke and save him from getting killed by Itachi and prevent Sasuke taking his own revenge or they will have one last clash using their most powerful jutsus.

By the way, unsurprisingly, we are missing a few Akatsukian here.

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by chuckcsf

Spoiler for Sauske:

I think Naruto's goal is to save Sauske, not kill him! So I doubt Sauske will be in the receiving end of that jutsu.

Spoiler:

-Well then take your pick because one of these is bound to be aimed at Sasuke. Here's the list of options: Fuuton: Rasengan, Rasengan, a kunai, a Kyuubi empowered claw, a devestating kick, a fist...the list can go on...One way or the other the 2 will clash once again and the end result will be determined then...

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by chuckcsf

Spoiler for Sauske:

I think Naruto's goal is to save Sauske, not kill him! So I doubt Sauske will be in the receiving end of that jutsu.

He could take a page form Nanoha and beat some friendship inot Sauske.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Sazelyt

Spoiler:

I don't get what Kakashi meant by the number of hits. I though Naruto's jutsu is a single hit jutsu like Rasengan. Maybe there is something else to that jutsu that we weren't shown yet. Need to see the other 6 pages to see how the jutsu had progressed.

I hope, while they animate Kakuzu's final moments during the fight when he floats in the sky, they will use an interesting melody , like the classical piece the animators used in One Piece for Crocodile's final seconds.

Spoiler:

Good point. Naruto has obtained pluses in both the strength and speed areas, in addition to sealing Sharingan's advantage.

So, what will you do now Sasuke? Another psychological crisis is in prospect for Sasuke...

Spoiler:

I think that the chakra is whirling at very high speed inside, and the part that is coming out from the center and is being transformed into wind jutsu is so fast that it cannot be seen by any sort of eye. It's like millions of deadly spikes coming out from a whirlwind at light-speed and cutting through anything. And it is not a solid thing so it cannot be stopped with a kusanagi or something like that because it would stop only 1% of those wind blades, all the others cutting the opponent.

But why do you think Sasuke would be in any crysis? Remember that he has already given up his life, his only dream is now that Orochimaru kills Itachi using his body. Sasuke is in a pathetic state right now, i don't think it's appropriate to think of this as a Naruto vs Sasuke fight, but more like Naruto wanting to fight Orochimaru, because he wants to take back Orochimaru's propery, that's Sasuke. Sasuke more like being the puppet of Orochimaru, and even if Sasuke fights Naruto it will be because Orochimaru tells him so. There would be no point of saving Sasuke if Sasuke was such an evil guy like Orochimaru, it's a different thing. The one to be in crysis will be Orochimaru

[0TaKu0]

Hah, great spoiler not much to say about it currently because as Sabaku Kyu stated it really does not explain things in detail, so ill wait till the chapter comes out.

However about this chapter, it was just like I said. . .

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by 0TaKu0

None the less, I don’t see why everyone is all "Failed his new jutsu" "Kishimoto had Naruto fail his new jutsu" "Naruto stood up like a man, and got beat down like a bitch". Seriously guys come on, nothing happened literally. He didn’t fail his new jutsu, nor was he beat down like a bitch. It was a trial and error sort of deal, live and learn type of shit.

Firstly until now Naruto had been smashing that jutsu in to the ground as soon as he created it, there is no possible way he could have known that his jutsu slowly dissipates or even the possibility of it. I mean it was new to Yamato too, and he had been watching Naruto's training the whole time. Kakashi clearly states "So, his jutsu has a time limit" not "So, he couldn’t hold the jutsu" not "So, he screwed up".

In any case, this is just "The Intro" the fight hasn’t even started yet, that was just I guess you can say "Naruto being Naruto" although Naruto has improved allot, and now thinks about things before he does them, even to the point of analyzing his opponents, then deciding on the best action to take, its pretty obvious that Kishimoto wants to remind us that, Naruto is STILL Naruto and not Sasuke.

This chapter was more of a introduction, and getting back to the "Silliness" that is "Naruto" (after all that seriousness), but now that Naruto knows that his jutsu has a time limit before it dissipates in to nothingness, things will become allot more interesting. I am also reminded of Yamato's words to Kakashi,

Yamato: Yes… You still haven’t seen it have you?
Yamato: The Naruto that’s different from before.

*Mortal Combat Voice* IT HAS BEGUN.

though this chapter seems slightly like a filler page that Kishi pulled out of his ass, after seeing the state of Naruto in the spoiler manga page. (because there’s no point for Kishi to remind us Naruto is still Naruto and not Sasuke, cause we would know as soon as we saw the state Naruto is in after the Kakuzu fight)

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by 0TaKu0

though this chapter seems slightly like a filler page that Kishi pulled out of his ass, after seeing the state of Naruto in the spoiler manga page. (because there’s no point for Kishi to remind us Naruto is still Naruto and not Sasuke, cause we would know as soon as we saw the state Naruto is in after the Kakuzu fight)

Spoiler for 341 manga chapter:

-Yeah speaking of Naruto's fatigue, this is the first time in a long while that we have witnessed him callapse out of exhaustion after the battle has been concluded. I tell you, something like that hasn't happened since the days of the pre-timeskip. Granted Naruto came into battle already beat from his training and yet he still pulled an amazing win out of his a**. He really is a monster...

[astayanax]

Spoiler:

Kakashi: The number of hits/attacks is way beyond me. I can’t see it even with the sharingan

Fairly interesting. If this is true, this would be the 2nd time that Kakashi failed to see anything with the sharingan (the first being against Itachi) which means that Naruto would be moving pretty fast. It looks like even with the strongest regular sharingan available to him, there is a limit to non-Uchihas and that people like Itachi may be able to see Naruto attacks at this speed (but I could be wrong).

Also, I see that people are yet again trying to compare Naruto against a Sasuke that we don't have a clue about in regards to his true strength. Again, the only definite statement is Sasuke is stronger than 3 tailed Naruto and weaker than 4 tailed Naruto if Orochimaru's statements is to be believed. That is it.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by astayanax

Spoiler:

Again, the only definite statement is Sasuke is stronger than 3 tailed Naruto and weaker than 4 tailed Naruto if Orochimaru's statements is to be believed. That is it.

Spoiler:

After seeing what a half-complete jutsu can do in terms of destructive power and the level of suppression imposed on a fairly strong opponent, it is fair to say that the power of the full version of Rasengan Shuriken will have a chance to go near or beyond what a 4-tail can do.

In that case, after the next chapter, the comparison between Naruto and Sasuke will be one of the first things that come to mind.

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

Spoiler:

I think that the chakra is whirling at very high speed inside, and the part that is coming out from the center and is being transformed into wind jutsu is so fast that it cannot be seen by any sort of eye. It's like millions of deadly spikes coming out from a whirlwind at light-speed and cutting through anything. And it is not a solid thing so it cannot be stopped with a kusanagi or something like that because it would stop only 1% of those wind blades, all the others cutting the opponent.

But why do you think Sasuke would be in any crysis? Remember that he has already given up his life, his only dream is now that Orochimaru kills Itachi using his body. Sasuke is in a pathetic state right now, i don't think it's appropriate to think of this as a Naruto vs Sasuke fight, but more like Naruto wanting to fight Orochimaru, because he wants to take back Orochimaru's propery, that's Sasuke. Sasuke more like being the puppet of Orochimaru, and even if Sasuke fights Naruto it will be because Orochimaru tells him so. There would be no point of saving Sasuke if Sasuke was such an evil guy like Orochimaru, it's a different thing. The one to be in crysis will be Orochimaru

Spoiler:

What the jutsu does is still open to highly imaginative ideas, we only need to wait a little longer for that. But, along the lines of what you have said, it is likely that the wind part will come out of it to constitute the main attack (in maybe shapes of spikes), while maybe Rasengan will help with the control of that parts, such as rotation...

The only thing that I don't like here, is why we haven't given any clue in the currently available chapter, during Naruto's first attempt of using that jutsu against Kakuzu. The spikes should have still come out, even if it is a failure...

For Sasuke, after their last meeting, I am sure he has a pretty good idea regarding the difference between himself and Naruto (even if it is not actually true), in a way again validating his initial decision of leaving behind his friends. But, if Naruto comes to him, after a short period of time, having the strength to fight evenly with him or, worse for Sasuke, to overcome him, it would be easy to deduce that Sasuke will start having doubts again. Maybe feeling that Naruto will have the power to beat Itachi, whereas he will still need Oro's help to do that. The last time that happened, he entered in a highly disturbing psychological state. I don't see a reason, why he won't do that again.

[BlackShinobi07]

Originally Posted by chuckcsf

Spoiler for Sauske:

I think Naruto's goal is to save Sauske, not kill him! So I doubt Sauske will be in the receiving end of that jutsu.

Naruto surpass Kakashi Hatake The Copy Ninja. OH PLEASE. Thats impossible, not in the sence he never will, but in the sence that just learning one single powerful jutsu simply wont suddenly bring him up to jonin level.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by The Small One

It looks like everyone expects the full version to be more powerful.
Isn't it more likely, that the full version will have the same power, but can be thrown and controlled, like all those DBZ attacks?

Still, they lead to the same result. In that case, it would make the impact to be more powerful or the jutsu to be more efficient compared to half-complete version.

It would be like going from the Chidori Naruto uses to the Chidori a Sharingan-bearer uses...

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi07

Naruto surpass Kakashi Hatake The Copy Ninja. OH PLEASE. Thats impossible, not in the sence he never will, but in the sence that just learning one single powerful jutsu simply wont suddenly bring him up to jonin level.

Kakashi has already said that. With that training, by developing a new Rasengan that includes the elemental basics, it is possible that Naruto can surpass Kakashi's level. We don't know if that is really the case, but we know that it is possible.

[chuckcsf]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

Spoiler:

I think that the chakra is whirling at very high speed inside, and the part that is coming out from the center and is being transformed into wind jutsu is so fast that it cannot be seen by any sort of eye. It's like millions of deadly spikes coming out from a whirlwind at light-speed and cutting through anything. And it is not a solid thing so it cannot be stopped with a kusanagi or something like that because it would stop only 1% of those wind blades, all the others cutting the opponent.

Spoiler:

The thing is, if this is the case then why didn't Kakuzu show any signs of those spikes. Actually Kakuzu doesn't look like he has been beaten up much except for the broken mask and being thrown 50 ft in the sky and dropping down the ground. His whole body still looks intact with those strings.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by chuckcsf

Spoiler:

The thing is, if this is the case then why didn't Kakuzu show any signs of those spikes. Actually Kakuzu doesn't look like he has been beaten up much except for the broken mask and being thrown 50 ft in the sky and dropping down the ground. His whole body still looks intact with those strings.

Spoiler:

1, the jutsu is only half completed, in it's ultimate form(s) it will be multiple times stronger
2, Kakuzu is an akatsuki, he has super-strong body, if it were a normal body it would have been destroyed. We don't know Kakuzu's secret yet, and i think we should learn something about him. As with Sasori: Sasori had fought with the 3rd kazekage, as Kakuzu is fighting with these hearts and masks, but as Sasori had an ultimate jutsu i expect that Kakuzu has also one. As kakuzu himself should be stronger than his masks, which represent the ninja he has defeated. All akatsuki have an ultimate jutsu, i would be a bit disappointed if Kakuzu (or even Hidan) didn't have one.

[Ichimaru]

who here thinks kakazu is the ninja in that sega genisis game return of the shinobi??

[Negs]

Boo. Link to spoiler pic = dead, which makes Negs sad.

[Rachy]

Originally Posted by Negs

Boo. Link to spoiler pic = dead, which makes Negs sad.

Spoiler for Spoiler pic 341:

[Justice Knight]

noooooooooooo kakuzu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


akatsuki is VVEAK

[BlackShinobi07]

SPOILER WARNING!!!!! Wow. I cant believe naruto actually pulled it off. I feel they should have expanded a little more about the enemies history and abilites. Exactly how old is this guy? where did those strings in his body come from? what are they? what are they made of? where did the maskes come from? is he even human? you guys saw all those strings coming out of his body right, what is he???? I mean it doesnt look like he has a skeleton, or organs, or anything human. It just looks like he made of strings.

Hidan is also a big mystery. what is the name of his village? can he bleed to death? since he stabed his heart to kill asuma, did it regenerate? does he regenrate his damaged body parts after he uses his jutsu?? VERY, VERY vague characters. Even sasori and kimimaru were expanded upon alot more in their breif appearences. I didnt like this Hidan Kakuzu arc at all. It leaves a very empty feeling.

[Rachy]

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi07

Hidan is also a big mystery. what is the name of his village? can he bleed to death? since he stabed his heart to kill asuma, did it regenerate? does he regenrate his damaged body parts after he uses his jutsu?? VERY, VERY vague characters. Even sasori and kimimaru were expanded upon alot more in their breif appearences. I didnt like this Hidan Kakuzu arc at all. It leaves a vert empty feeling.

Oh it will be expanded on later, when Hidan makes his return ^^.

Spoiler for chapter 341:

And well Kakuzu we got to know a little, that guy in bounty guy in Konoha might have some info on him.

Didn't really like how Naruto beat him 1on1 so quickly.. Then again he had to get strong sometime to face Sasuke. Sasuke's going to get alot stronger once his Uchiha blood potential kicks in, Then Naruto's new jutsu won't save him.

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by Lady Rave

Spoiler for chapter 341:

And well Kakuzu we got to know a little, that guy in bounty guy in Konoha might have some info on him.

Didn't really like how Naruto beat him 1on1 so quickly.. Then again he had to get strong sometime to face Sasuke. Sasuke's going to get alot stronger once his Uchiha blood potential kicks in, Then Naruto's new jutsu won't save him.

Spoiler for Sasuke and Naruto:

-You're absolutely right Lady Rave-chan. Naruto's new jutsu won't be what saves both him and Sasuke. What saves them will be the Flame of Friendship that will be rekindled in Sasuke...Just kidding , those 2 will be tearing into each other limb by limb. Blood will gush out everywhere and somewhere along the line all will be forgiven...