2009-07-06, 13:28 | Link #3241 | |
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Why can these 2 countries act like NK (or any random hell hole) is nobody's business and get away with it, while the USA cannot? It's like you guys always feel the need to uphold these "values" anyplace, anytime. |
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2009-07-06, 15:20 | Link #3242 | |
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Sooner or later that day will also come. Whether that will be a good thing or a bad one is still undecided.
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2009-07-06, 16:08 | Link #3243 |
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North Korea's Missile Threat
The problem with the US on the issue of North Korea is that the United States cannot give up their image in the world as a justice freak but unfortunately, most nations in the world do not acknowledge the US as a justice freak but rather that of something negative.. On the contrary, a justice freak is just as negative as the latter.
Whenever the US launches a military operation, they would call it something like "to defend justice" or "for freedom and democracy" but of course, every time they actually launch a military offensive is when there is an actual economic advantage to it. Otherwise, the US will take the image "we cannot interfere with other nations' internal affairs" or "it is best for the US to stay uninvolved as that it will prevent the escalation of the conflict" or "peaceful diplomatic channels is the best solution" but in the end, those are all merely just excuses of some sort. Even so, I don't think the US can do anything about North Korea as of now taking into consideration of the situation. In fact, most nations, if not all cannot come up with a feasible solution to the matter as that obstacles do exist. First of all, North Korea is backed by China and Russia who do not support them provoking a war as that it will no doubt damage their economy as that it is not part of their plans. However, chances are that North Korea will go ahead and launch a military offensive without the agreement of their backers leaving them no choice but to follow suit as that it is only beneficial to do so than otherwise. Based on North Korea's recent provocative actions, it is only reasonable to assume that their intentions to launch a military offensive on Japan is not a bluff. Their missile technology has improved thanks to the cooperation between Japanese businessmen and Chinese companies. However, I doubt North Korea has the capability to attack the American mainland but Hawaii may be at risk. I have my doubts as to whether North Korea would foolishly launch missiles on South Korea as that damaging their infrastructure and economy would do serious harm to their motives of absorbing the South's flourishing economy. For that matter, the nation at the greatest risk would be no other than Japan and the fact that North Korea has succeeded in nuclear capability just means double trouble. Nonetheless, nothing can be done as of now... Judging from North Korea's strategic moves, I believe there will be quite a few more missile launches before the US-led alliance will come up with a first step to some unknown feasible solution in the upcoming several months. |
2009-07-07, 04:32 | Link #3245 |
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As a Japanese, I assure you, a hell lot. Remember we still host US forces on our territory. And on Ioto (formerly Iwojima), US forces seem to be hiding high-class nukes that I'm sure DPRK woukd love to have. That, and the fact that Japan is 2nd largest contributer to UN and UNSC makes us a convinent target especiall since we can't wage war.
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2009-07-07, 05:57 | Link #3247 | |
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Also, NK can use Japan as a base to island hop to SEA, or build a silo to hit US mainland with greater ease. It could also re-ignite Vietnam as anti-US. But one thing about NK is that if it starts a war, it will not last more than 5 years without Chinese support. Never underestimate the power of the otaku.
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2009-07-07, 08:55 | Link #3249 | |
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Actually, why don't Japan just build a kick-ass navy? Sure navy is the ONE tool that needed for an empire but it must go hand-in-hand with a decent ground force, which Japan is not compelled to build up. That would go well with the spirit of Japan's constitution. And I personally think the Chinese wants to avoid the most. They can't compete with anyone on the high sea, really. |
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2009-07-07, 09:38 | Link #3251 | |
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NK troops would drop dead due to starvation within 50km of anything. |
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2009-07-07, 10:31 | Link #3253 | |
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But, any land battle to conquer Japan would have to be fought out in the megalopolises. That's where the main stuff are.
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2009-07-07, 13:02 | Link #3254 | ||
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Besides, 428 is right. Their army is better fed than the civilians and are pretty self-sustainable in the long run. But pull their supply lines thin and we see a large loophole in their invasion force. Although irrelevant at times in the face of modern technology, fighting spirit can be a factor to deciding victory or defeat in a battle. US lost 50,000 troops to that factor. Quote:
Japan is a pretty good place to attack for NK anyway. It is technologically advanced, an important sea route, close to US and has a vibrant industry. It is a good technological and industrial asset to have. But still slightly superior to NK's Navy. They don't have any good ships other than torpedo boats, FC/PVs (Fast Craft / Patrol Vessels), frigates and a large number of outdated subs. Their frigates are most likely used as flagships in times of war, so beat them out and everything should be much easier. The real problems are their submarines though. They can insert SOF troops onto islands and cause alot of damage, much like how the Makin Island raid is conducted back in WWII. The real problem lies with NK's missiles. We could say that any fleet placed in close proximity could be easily clusterf***ed, while spreading them apart makes them vulnerable to the NK's submarines.
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2009-07-07, 13:21 | Link #3255 | |
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Also, while the US did store nukes in Okinawa, in violation of treaties, during the cold war, they have since been removed. Even if they were still there, North Korea has absolutely no way of getting troops there. Because they already have a kick-ass navy that's the most powerful in the region. The JMSDF can, on paper at least, slaughter the Chinese PLN, let alone whatever North Korea considers a navy. They may lack heavy units, but the US Navy is there backing them up with a carrier battle group too. Also, if Japan buys the stol version of the F-35, a quick refit to add a ski jump and Japan's new Hyuga class "helicoptor destroyers" become Japan's new Hyuga class aircraft carriers. (Because of their size they need the ski-jump to operate fixed wing aircraft.) Not that North Korea has any chance in hell of mounting a large scale amphibious operation even if they didn't have the JMSDF and US navy to deal with first. after all, an invasion like that requires a logistical base North Korea doesn't have, can't develop on their own, and can't buy from China, because China doesn't really have it either, not yet at least. Quote:
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2009-07-07, 15:05 | Link #3257 |
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150+ dead in Massacre in Xinjiang area of China
Wow. This is some pretty nasty stuff going on. The protest was only a couple thousands but already so many people were killed. |
2009-07-07, 16:08 | Link #3258 | |
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Unfortunately in the US and the west there's no outrage. We're saturated with michael jackson news and the future of his assets and 3 children. |
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2009-07-07, 16:25 | Link #3260 |
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With all this M.J. and Palin stuff, I must have missed the news that California has started to issue IOUs, and that some banks will not accept them as of Friday.
http://247wallst.com/2009/06/30/cali...-other-states/ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692354575702881.html http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,3106808.story Is this news only limited to Californians? I had to dig pretty deep to run across it. Is this a big deal over there? I would be pretty pissed if I received an IOU for something....I'm surprised there isn't a shitload of recalls going on over there, or are people just taking it up the ass and say 'thank you'? |
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