Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[ashlay]

so, think Hal will be making an appearance this week?

doesn't seem to be much to add to him a mere episode after he did some particularly terrible things.

[LightningZERO]

Wonder when the preview for the next episode will show up

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by LightningZERO

Wonder when the preview for the next episode will show up

Unfortunately, my source for that is down (DDOS attack... AGAIN). Will have to wait for the 2chan source to come into the picture for today's imagedump.

[LoweGear]

Episode 11 picture dump courtesy of Homeless:

Spoiler for Lotsa stuff:

[mikyu]

that looks interesting ... I hope we will find out more about tieria.

[dreamless]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Episode 11 picture dump courtesy of Homeless:

Spoiler for Lotsa stuff:

Is this real or fake?

[Shiroth]

Pride: Spoiler tags please for the images.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by dreamless

Is this real or fake?

Whatever could you mean? They're screenshots taken directly from the episode.

[LightningZERO]

Sounds like an awesome episode, can't wait!

[Deathkillz]

Spoiler:

Basically an ep about Al coming to terms with his past and what he should so which leads him to destroying the experimental super soldier research building - but it turns out that he was only able to pull the trigger because hal was driving him mad . sergei takes the scientist into custody thinking that it is the best cause.
Tieria seems to have the ability to tap into the computing systems when his going into "seed mode" which he uses to monitor Al's conversation with Sumeragi...

[EXEs]

Shame we's gotta wait till Monday/Tuesday for english subs eh?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

It looks like, from the pictures supplied, we got the REAL reason why Hallelujah exists. I won't know until the subs, but it appears it wasn't experiments that drove Allelujah crazy.

Spoiler for hypothesis:

This is actually quite a common story trope, which was also used in a similar way in the anime Madlax. Essentially, Allelujah was drifting in space with little hope of rescue, and his friend in front of him is breathing valuable air... He couldn't possibly murder his friend for survival... or could he? Hallelujah was very likely born that day, when a darker personality took over in order to perform the unthinkable, yet necessary, actions.

If my theory is right, then it makes sense for Hallelujah to claim that he does all the dirty work for Allelujah's sake. Allelujah couldn't take responsibility, and one has to wonder if he is really the "good twin" at all.

[OMG_Zerg_Rush]

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[dreamless]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Whatever could you mean? They're screenshots taken directly from the episode.

well, just think the drawing style a bit weird (the reason maybe answered by Deathkillz spoiler post), and that scene looks a very surprising situation

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Just finished the raws... I am not sure, even now, if what happened to the research faculty classified as a "good" or "bad" act.

Spoiler for episode spoiler:

Even though the faculty experimented on children and discard failed experiments like garbage, the building still contained hundreds if not thousands of innocent children. I am glad that such a place is now gone, but those kids had as much a right to live as Allelujah had. Does two wrongs make a right?

All that psychic screams reminds me of the classic quote:
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

[brightman]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Spoiler for episode spoiler:

Even though the faculty experimented on children and discard failed experiments like garbage, the building still contained hundreds if not thousands of innocent children. I am glad that such a place is now gone, but those kids had as much a right to live as Allelujah had. Does two wrongs make a right?

No, but they ARE the Celestial Beings, whose entire premise is "two wrongs make a right". So Allelujah, in attacking the facility, was only upholding CB's ideal.

[kari-no-sugata]

A very interesting episode.

I would have probably given this ep a 10 if not for the later half feeling a bit rushed (the actual events feel a bit too isolated and easy) and some other things. However, the human drama was definitely 10/10.

Meanwhile, there's a certain feeling of people closing in on CB in some ways - Graham gets word of HRL's attack on CB and feels confident that it showed it is actually possible to confront and defeat CB, and the scientists are getting closer to understanding how the Gundams operate and why there's only 4. And Saji's sister has noticed that CB has been recruiting scientists to help develop technology - might not be possible to find actual evidence of CB's true intent, but by covering their historical actions, maybe a lot could be discovered.

On the other hand, I feel that CB might have come out of the conflict strengthened internally - by the end of the episode at least. Tieria seems to appreciate what Allelujah went through, for example.

I enjoyed Allelujah's conversations with himself. (Was it supposed to be irony that someone walked in on him this time? "It's a miss-understanding!") It was also interesting seem him at the end of the ep when about to fire on the facility. Allelujah wanted to "save" them (rescue them somehow) but Hallelujah points out that it's unrealistic and that the pity Allelujah feels for the children is not something the children themselves would understand - and ditto for the female pilot they felt.

I particularly liked the bit when you see "flashbacks" to Allelujah/Hallelujah's past but then they're talking "live" and suddenly it's not Hallelujah pointing a gun at some kid but Allelujah and Hallelujah facing each other.


Anyway, next week looks like the plot finally kicks into the main event (for the first 26 eps), when events really start to move to Azadistan. Looks like Setsuna goes there, and in this ep, Alejandro's companion suggests that Marina go visit the construction site herself - which Miss not-smiling-so-much-anymore suggests would make a good opportunity for assassination. Drum roll...


PS Allelujah reveals at the end of the ep that he's just turned 20, so Sumeragi lets him have a drink... (Given that she previously invited Tieria to drinks, does this mean we can say for certain that he's over 20 - or at least that Sumeragi thinks he is?)

[Wen]

A very good episode. Some interesting Allelujah stuffs...Yay for Setsuna next episode (I'm praying for more development on him).

[LightningZERO]

Another perfect episode for me

I have to laugh at Tieria's reaction in this episode. He's actually blaming Sumeragi for causing him to reveal Nadleh. Tieria is back to his old self again

Allelujah is definitely an interesting character. It seems that Hallelujah is the split personality that appears to do whatever necessary to ensure his (their) survival and does all the dirty works. I enjoy seeing both personality interacting, and Hallelujah laughing at Allelujah, criticizing him for pretending to be kind while using Hallelujah as an excuse to do all the cruel things...I want to know more about Al and Hal!

There's a space colony?Wow...I though the 3 nations are still building it?

Kyrios destroying the Super Soldier research facility is an amazing scene. Allelujah screaming and the Kyrios just looks badass. I feel sorry for all the poor kids, but I guess there's no way for them to live except being used as machine...but I doubt this is the last of the research though

I kinda forget Setsuna is the main character now. Glad to see the following episodes will involve him. Let's hope he will get more line!

And happy birthday to Allelujah!