2013-10-12, 09:34 | Link #31141 | |
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Though really. All the budget related complaints about the ACA completely fall flat when you consider that the current setup is already ludicrously economically inefficient and expensive. Jon Stewart deals with this at the two minute mark. Guess what. The uninsured still cost society money. You're not saving money by not giving medication to that uninsured person. You're just guaranteeing that eventually you'll succumb to something that warrants an ER visit, that will cost far more than giving him a few checkups and medication. The problem with the Republican party is that their positions logically lead to social Darwinism, Where uninsured persons are denied ER visits*. It's just that they lack the testicular fortitude to actually go there. *Of course I'm not sure that that would be a good setup even if you did have insurance. How do the ambulances/ER distinguish between the insured and uninsured? What if someone doesn't have health insurance information on them when they get injured out somewhere? And better hope that if you get mugged and stabbed that the mugger doesn't snatch your insurance paperwork.
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2013-10-12, 11:50 | Link #31142 | |
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Deal to resolve fiscal crisis stalls in Congress
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2013-10-12, 12:15 | Link #31143 | |
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2013-10-12, 12:31 | Link #31144 | |
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They placed a bet of $50 that there won't be a deal reached by 17th.
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2013-10-12, 19:10 | Link #31145 |
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David Byrne: 'The internet will suck all creative content out of the world':
"The boom in digital streaming may generate profits for record labels and free content for consumers, but it spells disaster for today's artists across the creative industries" See: http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...-content-world |
2013-10-12, 19:15 | Link #31146 | |
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Even if the debt ceiling doesn't reach a deal, there are ways for the U.S. to continue to pay its obligations which would avoid default. This issue would still result in significant damage to GDP and hurt any economic recovery as well as make everyone skeptical about the ability for the body politic to reach consensus on the looming problems ahead -- pensions, health care reform (further), tax code reform, etc. So, things'll still spell trouble, but there isn't going to be any default.
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2013-10-12, 19:39 | Link #31147 | |
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Can USA avoid default indefinitely? Possibly. But what we now worry is a permanent malaise. That we will get political theatre on a monthly basis from now on until the US of A ceases to exist.
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2013-10-12, 20:35 | Link #31148 | |
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2013-10-12, 21:54 | Link #31149 |
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Congress lumbers while threatened default looms
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...10-12-19-34-08 US-Afghan officials near a deal on American troops http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...10-12-22-49-42
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2013-10-13, 02:40 | Link #31150 | |
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2013-10-13, 03:06 | Link #31151 |
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There is the belief it is the Republicans (House) stopping thing and there is the belief the Democrats (Senate) are stopping things.
The belief of some conservatives is that it was the Senate that blocked the budget from passing, thus this is the Democrat's fault. Others think we are getting close to an actual civil war where neighbor hates neighbor. Though I could point out that in the South, even today what is usually called the American Civil War is "The War of Northern Aggression" and it does not quialify as a civil war because it was not neighbor against neightbor, but a unified group forming a new country that was invaded by the United States. The contention is that that war does not fit the definition of a civil war and should not be called so because it is incorrect. And they are rather insistant about it.
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2013-10-13, 03:16 | Link #31152 | |
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Conservatives can believe whatever they want. The rest of us live in the real world.
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2013-10-13, 03:37 | Link #31154 |
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I am fairly sure they say the same but in reverse. That they live in the real world and the liberals are living in a fairy tale land. Thus the belief of a civil war brewing. Some conservatives hate liberals, considering it to be akin to a sickness that needs to be removed to heal the country.
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2013-10-13, 03:51 | Link #31155 | |
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"They say the opposite" is their choice. Doesn't change the facts.
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2013-10-13, 07:03 | Link #31157 |
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Cyclone in India weakens; officials say few deaths
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...10-13-05-34-01 Reid: Soft-spoken, combative Obama partner vs GOP http://bigstory.ap.org/article/reid-...partner-vs-gop
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2013-10-13, 07:47 | Link #31158 | |
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http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...s-out-of-cash/ Maybe you should try on his hat.
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2013-10-13, 09:18 | Link #31159 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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1. Majority of House votes to send a budget bill to the Senate. Bill includes provision to remove funding for law they don't like 2. Senate look at budget bill, don't like it completely, and votes to send an amended version back to the House 3. Republican House speaker Boehner pulls out a revolver and shoots the person who bringing the amended Senate bill in the head. Proceeds to barricade the House so no vote on the Senate's bill can take place The Republicans are the ones who are deliberately throwing a wrench in the legislative process right before a major economic disaster. In fact, they did it right at that point as leverage to get what they wanted. Which makes it nonsensical to say this is the Democrats fault. Why would they start a shutdown over Obamacare? Obamacare is already law, and is already funded. The only way the Democrats can cause a shutdown to happen over the ACA is as a response to the Republicans actions. The Republicans are the only ones with an incentive to start this situation. Acting like they're not the ones who started this is nothing but pure doublethink.
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