2008-06-07, 13:42 | Link #1001 | |
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Well whenever you can XD I say you and Keroko because the two of you are the most level-headed here from what I've seen. And yes, I do admit, I can be a thick-headed idiot as I've most likely I've presented myself to be in the last little while -_- *Edit* sweet! page claim!
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2008-06-07, 14:11 | Link #1004 |
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@ Wild Goose: yep i did read few fictions like that, and don't ask i did fell off my chair and my bed too once i read them.
XenahortCharybdis i do stuck as i planned plus have some ideas (evil laugh ) this will be so much fun anyway, what kind of story will turn out, no one know. ^_^
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2008-06-07, 15:12 | Link #1005 | |||||
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2008-06-07, 15:28 | Link #1006 |
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Random cracked up character moment.
I was goofing around (Which is normal for me...) when I thought of a Lina inverse character. NAAAAAAH... But what about a character obsessed WITH Lina Inverse??? Said little girl was introduced to the Slayers franchise through imports that have been coming to Mid-childa. She becomes so attatched to the Lina Inverse character that she starts training herself to Emulate her magic. The scary part is that she does succede (somewhat) and can hurl moderately nasty fireballs on a whim... but somehow manages never to get into trouble. (Well, she DOES get into trouble... with street scum... but mostly she gets out of trouble by blowing it up. Much to the consternation of investigative forces who find the thugs torched some time later.) This girl has a dream, to meet Megumi Hayashibara herself, and would nearly KILL for a way to go to Earth. (Exnay on trips to Earth for offworderays...) Through her obsession fueled investigating, she discovers Nanoha and company come FROM Earth, and often have vacations there. So she starts trying to Shadow them... (Not easy...) ...trying to get on their good side so she can go to Earth. (Yeeeeah... not gonna' happen.) Essentially, the girl makes herself a pest, even showing up in live combat and hurling fireballs at people before getting chewed out at range and running away. But the girl seems to have no semblence of reality. Her obsession even fuels the power of her magic. The more she believes what she can do... the better her chances at pulling it off. Making her fireballs more powerful the more determined (obsessed) she becomes. (She ain't pulling off no Draguslaves, Laguna Blades, or Giga Slaves though... Or if she does, it'll be more in NAME than actual power.) The girl has all the combat sense of an Acme Brick truck... Making her more dangerous to everyone BUT the enemy she may have challenged. (Of course... comic luck will have the guy get roasted by a fireball anyway.) I could see a scene like. VITA: YOU IDIOT! You got in the way and he got away! LIF: I had him! He was mine! VITA: You're not even Administration Staff! You can't be here! LIF: I was trying to help you! Show some appreciation! VITA: I'm not going to show any appreciation to some cut rate mage with no training who thinks she can just do whatever she wants! I should arrest you right here! LIF: *Blinks back tears* What did you call ME?! VITA: YOU HEARD ME! "-FIREBAAAAALLL!!!-" "BOOM!!!" *The L.I.F. runs away sobbing... Vita's been blown through a wall and looks slightly charred and knocked senseless... Everyone else arrives a minute later to think the villain of the day did that to Vita.** Be good for a sidestory or as some comic relief somewhere. |
2008-06-07, 15:40 | Link #1007 |
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*Coma strokes the stubble which is currently passing for a beard*
Hmm.... I've got a Xellos-esque manipulator OC hanging around in the background in Comacanon..... haven't found much use for him yet, but he's definitely there..... ....and a Self Insert of yours truly would probably come across as a bad-tempered Gourry.....
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2008-06-07, 16:11 | Link #1009 |
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Hmm.... speaking of characters, I've just had myself an idea for Hayate's deshafting.
Recall the Patton-esque OC I mentioned a page or so back. This guy gets recruited by Lindy through a favor to become Hayate's mentor, in order to turn her into the best goddamn potential admiral she could possibly be. Mr Patton has a bad attitude about this and doesn't like being saddled with a kid sidekick, but he does owe the Harlaown family a few favors and Hayate grows on him pretty quickly. One of the things which mark this captain as being different from the others is his tendency to take to the field with his troops whenever they go planetside, and he passes the logic behind this on to Hayate, who will eventually get her own ship and leave Rein II at the bridge when she does this. The fun part comes about from the fact that Alex is her ship's Enforcer and usually leads the assault forces. So there comes a time sometime during the series when Alex and his boys and girls walk into a trap set by enemy forces. The redshirts begin to drop like flies as enemy forces close in from all sides... then Hayate teleports in, and suddenly we're treated to a Back to Back Badasses moment with her and Alex. Then their joint theme music kicks in and they start ripping through enemy troops like a weed eater gone haywire. Hmmmm..... yes, I think I can deshaft Hayate while still keeping her in a relatively leadership-oriented position.
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2008-06-07, 17:33 | Link #1010 | |||
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Yeah it dose… Acutally I’ve left the background to my own fic vague enough that this could acutally work as part of it’s back story cept it’s supposed to happen in the same verse as Generations and later Guardians which as I recall are using something fairly close to canon in terms of StrikerS. (Would also clash a bit in that Vita and Felix in the fic know of each other, but not that well) So it’d probably need to be AU of my current verse though a fairly minor one and allot of the stuff from the current fic could still happen afterwards with some slight reworking. Or it could go a totally different direction as it went on…
It could be fun though might make a decent group project too. People could grab different bits and try to pull all the random stuff going on around StrikerS into something coherent. Would probably be best as a group thing anyway since trying to rewrite an entire TV series alone is a pretty daunting thing… I might start writing crack about it just for a change of pace though we'll see. Quote:
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http://www.strategypage.com/humor/ar...s_20047130.asp Or this: http://skippyslist.com/list/ Or watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqaWdkdFb3Y Or maybe this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxQPbLIsmh4 Or the grand champion... http://velox-mortis.deviantart.com/art/Swear-37921972 The Military isn't always quite as strict and straitlaced as it might try to appear...
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This list is brilliant. Hmm, you're right. But you have to admit that comparing the two is generally not an accurate one, if it were, 90% of all the 'TSAB sucks' debates wouldn't be there now would they? |
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2008-06-07, 20:41 | Link #1013 | ||||
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2008-06-07, 21:43 | Link #1014 |
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Here's a quick thought that's been bothering me for a while:
There's all this talk about the balance of power and not putting too many powerful mages in one place... ...but what's this then? Spoiler for IS: Silver Retriever:
Leti simply lets them continue working together, not just living as Hayate indicates, but acting to support each other in similar roles. And she doesn't make any indication that this is a big deal or that she had to go through a lot of trouble for this to work. What's the deal? How are Hayate and the Wolkenritter sticking together like this if the bureau is so opposed to concentration of power? I'm not disputing that they are, it just seems odd to me that they would make an exception like this, particularly under these circumstances and for these particular mages.
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2008-06-07, 21:48 | Link #1015 | |
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After this being brought to my attention, really felt the need to respond...
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Isn't that what Nanoha started out as though? A normal girl who gains powers through circumstances more or less beyond her control and fights evil? While the militarism of Nanoha is one of the aspects that make it unique, and much more appealing to us than your standard magical girl show (heck, if Nanoha didn't have these elements I wouldn't have bothered to continue watching), there is a reason why the series is called "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha". This is not "JAG" or "The Unit". The core of the Nanohaverse is magic and females kicking ass; heck, the militaristic aspects of the TSAB wasn't covered much in Nanoha, it's foundation laid in A's, and only in StrikerS did it come to the forefront as a primary base element for the story, and even then it was only background for the main action - heck, if it wasn't for the Asura the first season would've been much like any other magical girl. I think the militarization of the TSAB here in the Nanoha forums has long blinded us to the fact that, as much as we'd like to deny it, and as much as we think it's cool to think otherwise, Nanoha is first and foremost a MAGICAL GIRL show. Sure, the series has done it's best to modify, or circumvent the standard mahou shoujo cliches, but at its heart MGLN is about the power of friendship and how it triumphs over all. That is the Core of the Nanohaverse, not the militarism.
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2008-06-07, 21:54 | Link #1016 | |
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I do think the Main HQ is such, but the Library seems pretty much accessible without much trouble. Given the infinite dimensions it is supposedly linked to, anyone from anywhere could get into it, and I don't think all dimensions apply the same standard procedure. But then, the Library seems to be annexed by the Bureau, mainly ... |
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2008-06-07, 22:01 | Link #1017 | |
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At that point, I can think of a few reasons. 1: The WolkenRitter have no loyalty to anyone but Hayate and have said so. They probably wouldn't ware seperate deployments...if the bureau insisted...well, everyone knows what happened last time they disagreed with the Bureau... 2: The Bureau are actively trying to recruit Hayate and the WolkenRitter. This kind of small concession may be a 'carrot' 3: Leti's probably been worked on by Lindy 4: it keeps them all in one place so they can be monitored more easily. |
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I'm placing an emphasis on this because I'm trying to ascertain the probability of Hayate, Alex, and the Wolks being able to serve together on a single ship, with Hayate as captain, Shamal as a medical officer, and Vita and Signum serving in the assault force acting under Enforcer Alex. Zafira.... dunno, maybe a cook or something.
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If you look at StrikerS it has almost nothing of what we'd associate with the genre beyond the fact there are Girls and they use magic. If you don't like that fine, but don't try and deny this aspect of the work that sets it apart from basiclly every other example of it's type. Quote:
You need both Nanoha isn't a classic magical girl show nor are it's fans those that tended to like those. (I'd never touch Sailor Moon with a ten foot pole for instance...) It's not pure military fiction either though, but military and political aspects are integral too it and are definitely a part of it's appeal. Those that try to transform it into a pure love, love classical magic girl setting are just as wrong as those that try to turn into a crapsack world full of hardboiled killers and world weary soldiers. Nanoha isn't Nanoha without militarism and politics, but it's also not Nanoha with out a touch of idealism and fantasy. The key is in the balance Goose and to some extent Kag probably take it too far one direction (in the grim darkness of the future of Nanoha there is only angst! oh and machine guns.) Coma was swinging too far the other way by seemingly just wanting to get rid of the TSAB entirely so the girls could just fly around zapping bad guys at will. Another example is IMO the FFT while the FFT produces plenty of interesting fluff an aversion by most of the posters to seemingly any of the military or politic aspects of the show limits there ability to have really interesting plots IMO... There's a balance to be found that balance might be leaning a might too far toward military and politics at the moment, but even so those aspects definitely have there place as important parts of the universe and in writing interesting fics and characters. Of course the more fantastic and fluffy elements also have there place as well and it's this somewhat odd mixture that makes Nanoha interesting IMO. It's tricky to capture, but it's also important becasue if you don't do it right the universe just seems off. Basically yeah the power of friendship is a core element of what makes Nanoha what it is... but so is the Power of Bureaucracy. Remove to much of either and what you're left with is much weaker for it in many ways the combination of politics, magic, and militray themes combine into something greater then the sum of there parts and into something truly unique (there really is nothing else like it I've come across) and if you take out any of those parts what you're left with is simply a shadow of it's complete self.
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2008-06-07, 22:21 | Link #1020 | |
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===== Speaking of which ... @Keroko: I have to ask you a very important question - how has Tesla's cooking improved after StrikerS? There's a scene I am planning to write in Chapter 9 about her cooking (to a secret person, no less~ ). And if you are sticking your plans to Kerokanon, would Tesla really be Griffith's partner? |
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