2008-10-19, 03:33 | Link #3882 |
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Another radical Obama association? There's a new video out there and it's said that it might cost Obama the election
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2008-10-19, 04:35 | Link #3883 | |
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Okay, 1) Odinga is Christian, so the claims of pro-Muslim agendas are blatantly false, and were perpetrated by an extreme Evangelical group that has a great deal of hatred for the 10-20% of Kenya that is Muslim (btw, 70-80% of Kenyans are Christian). Both Odinga and the leader of the Muslim population have come out since and have actively shown that the initial anti-Islam charges were false (see here). 2) Obama never supported, lent money, or campaigned for Odinga, these are known facts. Rather, Obama visited his ancestral roots, which happen to be the same as Odinga's (they both come from the same tribe). So, of course, Odinga used the opportunity to get press coverage. Obama has said many times that he does not support Odinga, and during the civil strife after the 2006-2007 election (which outside reports showed that there was significant voter fraud involved, and that Odinga probably did actually win) Obama quickly responded to both Odinga and Kibaki to have them find a way to solve this fiasco before military intervention was needed (and shortly after, they did find a solution). 3) Bush is an active supporter of Odinga. Do you real think that Bush (see here and here) would be an active supporter of a man that has supposed strong ties to Al Qaeda, Anti-Islamic groups, or extensive pro-Muslim groups (that would place Muslims over Christians)? No, of course not. If Bush and his administration can support Odinga, then why can't Obama? There are several other points I can make, but I am tired, so I will close by saying this: People need to learn that in this day and age there is no such thing as a dirty little secret when it comes to American politics. Every negative comment raised concerning association, that could actually be harmful to the country, is false for the specific reason that the CIA, FBI, etc would have already known any hidden information if the information was truly harmful. You can make an argument concerning Judgement, but such an argument can easily be made concerning many of McCain's previous connections (Cindy's extreme drug problem, Liddy, anti-abortion groups, etc), so it is a bit pointless. In the end, it is the policies that matter, not tenuous connections that are clearly exaggerated or misleading. --- *sigh* it looks like Hannity will be covering this video in his next show. Oh well, better now when Obama and the DNC can destroy the video for its inaccuracies, rather than closer to the election when the video would be harder to combat. Last edited by james0246; 2008-10-19 at 05:13. |
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2008-10-19, 04:46 | Link #3884 |
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I love Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp Specifically: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp
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2008-10-19, 07:56 | Link #3885 | |
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That is so false, but you know alot of people will believe that anyway but......Want to know about the issues, not of one past besides McCain isnt a Saint at all either and we dont want to start talking about Palin or Biden at the end it is about issues and looking at every poll and every single EV map even early voting, Obama is leading in all of that, so it is going to be the negative game and that is going to get Obama more votes.
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2008-10-19, 11:44 | Link #3887 | |
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Well, it happened (and Obama supporters breath a sigh of relief ): Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama. Unlike the silly video posted above (that is factually incorrect), this endorsement could act as a game changer (specifically for Obama and against McCain).
Just to give you a taste of some of the stuff he said during and after the Meet the Press interview: Quote:
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2008-10-19, 13:42 | Link #3888 | ||
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one thing that i thought was funny from that article was Quote:
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2008-10-19, 13:51 | Link #3889 |
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I liked how Powell said:
Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian," he said. "But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, 'He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists.' This is not the way we should be doing it in America." This just shows how low the Republican party has sunk, in my opinion. |
2008-10-19, 14:49 | Link #3890 | |
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As for the Obama endorsement, it doesn't surprise me. Powell has generally kept silent on matter of policies, but on occasions where he has revealed his views, it hasn't seemed very conservative and neither modern nor traditionally Republican. I have no idea why he's a Republican other than the fact that his military career likely wouldn't get him the same "party cred" on the other side of the line.
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2008-10-19, 17:40 | Link #3892 | |
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To clarify your last sentence, Powell is an Eisenhower/Goldwater Republican (fiscally conservative with a generally centrist view on social issues). |
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2008-10-19, 18:10 | Link #3893 | |
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2008-10-19, 18:18 | Link #3894 |
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It's pretty funny that Palin didn't get that much lines even on SNL.
Somehow I think the McCain campaign will steal this election. You have widespread inccidents of ballot machines malfunctioning while the McCain campaign keeps focusing on a legit group ACORN. |
2008-10-19, 18:22 | Link #3895 |
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Colin Powell... has endorsed Obama.
Damn... that's one helluva payback for Bush and the Republican elite (neo-cons?). I Guess they shouldn't have lied to him about the Anthrax and sent him out foist the BS off at the UN. When he found out he'd been played, he resigned and I guess he didn't forget. Last edited by mg1942; 2008-10-19 at 18:42. |
2008-10-19, 23:11 | Link #3896 |
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Sweet Jesus, everyone needs to actually watch Colin Powell's endorsement, especially when he gets to the accusations of Obama being a Muslim. His answer: "No, he isn't. But so what if he is?" Then he goes into a very moving story of a young soldier who died in Iraq, who happened to be Muslim.
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2008-10-19, 23:59 | Link #3897 | |
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2008-10-20, 00:37 | Link #3898 |
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well every era has its scapegoats, witches, Japanese, commies, Mexicans/immigrants, and now due to 9/11, Muslims. people will always single out a group and blame everything on them, that is the nature of the ignorant, the GOP realized that and shamelessly fueled the peoples fears
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2008-10-20, 01:29 | Link #3899 |
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"Alaskan Rap song?" Okay... I don't think any Alaskan would want to take credit for the song unless they want to be linchmobbed for saying "eskimo." None the less, SNL is funny like usual.
Not to hop away from the current conversation, does anyone have any information regarding both party's views of tax deductions? Mainly doing away with some and making new ones, and how this will work out in their tax plans? |
2008-10-20, 02:45 | Link #3900 |
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well from what i understand, obama will give tax cuts to people making less than $250,000, he will raise taxes on those above that by 3% i believe, he will also give tx cuts to the businesses that keep jobs here in America.
all i know from Mcain is 5,000 tax credit to chose health care of your choice, and he taxes your health benefits, by counting their value as part of your income. tbh i have't researched much about his tax plans my problem is that these guys especially obama are making promises that idk if he cna realistacally keep them because he will still need for congress to agree on his plans. so americans may be disappointed if the GOP controll senate, and i am sure they would give obama a hard time as president
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