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Old 2008-10-19, 01:52   Link #3881
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Old 2008-10-19, 03:33   Link #3882
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Another radical Obama association? There's a new video out there and it's said that it might cost Obama the election

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411
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Old 2008-10-19, 04:35   Link #3883
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Another radical Obama association? There's a new video out there and it's said that it might cost Obama the election

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411
Lots of stuff here.

Okay, 1) Odinga is Christian, so the claims of pro-Muslim agendas are blatantly false, and were perpetrated by an extreme Evangelical group that has a great deal of hatred for the 10-20% of Kenya that is Muslim (btw, 70-80% of Kenyans are Christian). Both Odinga and the leader of the Muslim population have come out since and have actively shown that the initial anti-Islam charges were false (see here).

2) Obama never supported, lent money, or campaigned for Odinga, these are known facts. Rather, Obama visited his ancestral roots, which happen to be the same as Odinga's (they both come from the same tribe). So, of course, Odinga used the opportunity to get press coverage. Obama has said many times that he does not support Odinga, and during the civil strife after the 2006-2007 election (which outside reports showed that there was significant voter fraud involved, and that Odinga probably did actually win) Obama quickly responded to both Odinga and Kibaki to have them find a way to solve this fiasco before military intervention was needed (and shortly after, they did find a solution).

3) Bush is an active supporter of Odinga. Do you real think that Bush (see here and here) would be an active supporter of a man that has supposed strong ties to Al Qaeda, Anti-Islamic groups, or extensive pro-Muslim groups (that would place Muslims over Christians)? No, of course not. If Bush and his administration can support Odinga, then why can't Obama?

There are several other points I can make, but I am tired, so I will close by saying this: People need to learn that in this day and age there is no such thing as a dirty little secret when it comes to American politics. Every negative comment raised concerning association, that could actually be harmful to the country, is false for the specific reason that the CIA, FBI, etc would have already known any hidden information if the information was truly harmful.

You can make an argument concerning Judgement, but such an argument can easily be made concerning many of McCain's previous connections (Cindy's extreme drug problem, Liddy, anti-abortion groups, etc), so it is a bit pointless. In the end, it is the policies that matter, not tenuous connections that are clearly exaggerated or misleading.

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*sigh* it looks like Hannity will be covering this video in his next show. Oh well, better now when Obama and the DNC can destroy the video for its inaccuracies, rather than closer to the election when the video would be harder to combat.

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Old 2008-10-19, 04:46   Link #3884
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp
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Old 2008-10-19, 07:56   Link #3885
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Another radical Obama association? There's a new video out there and it's said that it might cost Obama the election

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411
Yeah right,
That is so false, but you know alot of people will believe that anyway but......Want to know about the issues, not of one past besides McCain isnt a Saint at all either and we dont want to start talking about Palin or Biden at the end it is about issues and looking at every poll and every single EV map even early voting, Obama is leading in all of that, so it is going to be the negative game and that is going to get Obama more votes.
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Old 2008-10-19, 11:39   Link #3886
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I don't know how Obama's associations can be worse than Palin's. She's married to a secessionist! We fought a damn war over that!
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Old 2008-10-19, 11:44   Link #3887
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Well, it happened (and Obama supporters breath a sigh of relief ): Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama. Unlike the silly video posted above (that is factually incorrect), this endorsement could act as a game changer (specifically for Obama and against McCain).

Just to give you a taste of some of the stuff he said during and after the Meet the Press interview:

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We can't judge our people and hold our elections on that kind of basis. Yes, that kind of negativity troubled me. And the constant shifting of the argument, I was troubled a couple of weeks ago when in the middle of the crisis the campaign said 'we're going to go negative,' and they announced it. 'We're going to go negative and attack his character through Bill Ayers.' Now I guess the message this week is we're going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama is now a socialist, because he dares to suggest that maybe we ought to look at the tax structure that we have. Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who pay them, in roads and airports and hospitals and schools. And taxes are necessary for the common good. And there's nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is or who should be paying more or who should be paying les, and for us to say that makes you a socialist is an unfortunate characterization that I don't think is accurate.

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Old 2008-10-19, 13:42   Link #3888
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Well, it happened (and Obama supporters breath a sigh of relief ): Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama. Unlike the silly video posted above (that is factually incorrect), this endorsement could act as a game changer (specifically for Obama and against McCain).

Just to give you a taste of some of the stuff he said during and after the Meet the Press interview:
wow that is a surprise. i do not know much about colin powel, i think he is trying to regain is dignity. i mean anybody remotely associated with goege bush automatically loses a lot of points,

one thing that i thought was funny from that article was
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Appearing on Fox News Sunday, John McCain said he respectfully disagreed with Powell's decision, but "this doesn't come as a surprise."
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Old 2008-10-19, 13:51   Link #3889
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I liked how Powell said:
Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian," he said. "But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, 'He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists.' This is not the way we should be doing it in America."

This just shows how low the Republican party has sunk, in my opinion.
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Old 2008-10-19, 14:49   Link #3890
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I liked how Powell said:
Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian," he said. "But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, 'He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists.' This is not the way we should be doing it in America."

This just shows how low the Republican party has sunk, in my opinion.
Considering that accusing Obama of being Muslim happens across party lines, I don't think that can be considered a reflection on a party. Most things that aren't party stances aren't reflections on the party, but accusations certainly make it easier to turn it into an argument.

As for the Obama endorsement, it doesn't surprise me. Powell has generally kept silent on matter of policies, but on occasions where he has revealed his views, it hasn't seemed very conservative and neither modern nor traditionally Republican. I have no idea why he's a Republican other than the fact that his military career likely wouldn't get him the same "party cred" on the other side of the line.
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Old 2008-10-19, 17:16   Link #3891
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LOL!! Omg that was hilarious, you get 1000 internet points for this post.
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Old 2008-10-19, 17:40   Link #3892
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As for the Obama endorsement, it doesn't surprise me. Powell has generally kept silent on matter of policies, but on occasions where he has revealed his views, it hasn't seemed very conservative and neither modern nor traditionally Republican. I have no idea why he's a Republican other than the fact that his military career likely wouldn't get him the same "party cred" on the other side of the line.
The fact that he was instrumental in the acceptance of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy should be proof enough that he is a Republican .

To clarify your last sentence, Powell is an Eisenhower/Goldwater Republican (fiscally conservative with a generally centrist view on social issues).
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Old 2008-10-19, 18:10   Link #3893
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But it was a surprise — at least to our ears — to hear the 71-year-old Powell so roundly declare that Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin was not qualified to be president of the United States.
She's a very distinguished woman, and she's to be admired. But at the same time, now that we have had a chance to watch her for some seven weeks, I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president. And so that raised some question in my mind as to the judgment that Sen. McCain made.
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Old 2008-10-19, 18:18   Link #3894
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It's pretty funny that Palin didn't get that much lines even on SNL.

Somehow I think the McCain campaign will steal this election. You have widespread inccidents of ballot machines malfunctioning while the McCain campaign keeps focusing on a legit group ACORN.
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Old 2008-10-19, 18:22   Link #3895
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Colin Powell... has endorsed Obama.

Damn... that's one helluva payback for Bush and the Republican elite (neo-cons?). I Guess they shouldn't have lied to him about the Anthrax and sent him out foist the BS off at the UN. When he found out he'd been played, he resigned and I guess he didn't forget.

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Old 2008-10-19, 23:11   Link #3896
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Sweet Jesus, everyone needs to actually watch Colin Powell's endorsement, especially when he gets to the accusations of Obama being a Muslim. His answer: "No, he isn't. But so what if he is?" Then he goes into a very moving story of a young soldier who died in Iraq, who happened to be Muslim.
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Old 2008-10-19, 23:59   Link #3897
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Sweet Jesus, everyone needs to actually watch Colin Powell's endorsement, especially when he gets to the accusations of Obama being a Muslim. His answer: "No, he isn't. But so what if he is?" Then he goes into a very moving story of a young soldier who died in Iraq, who happened to be Muslim.
His answer is a good one. Since when did the Muslims became the enemy of America? Besides, from my knowledge, Christianity tolerates the existence of other religions.
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Old 2008-10-20, 00:37   Link #3898
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well every era has its scapegoats, witches, Japanese, commies, Mexicans/immigrants, and now due to 9/11, Muslims. people will always single out a group and blame everything on them, that is the nature of the ignorant, the GOP realized that and shamelessly fueled the peoples fears
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Old 2008-10-20, 01:29   Link #3899
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"Alaskan Rap song?" Okay... I don't think any Alaskan would want to take credit for the song unless they want to be linchmobbed for saying "eskimo." None the less, SNL is funny like usual.

Not to hop away from the current conversation, does anyone have any information regarding both party's views of tax deductions? Mainly doing away with some and making new ones, and how this will work out in their tax plans?
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Old 2008-10-20, 02:45   Link #3900
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well from what i understand, obama will give tax cuts to people making less than $250,000, he will raise taxes on those above that by 3% i believe, he will also give tx cuts to the businesses that keep jobs here in America.

all i know from Mcain is 5,000 tax credit to chose health care of your choice, and he taxes your health benefits, by counting their value as part of your income. tbh i have't researched much about his tax plans


my problem is that these guys especially obama are making promises that idk if he cna realistacally keep them because he will still need for congress to agree on his plans. so americans may be disappointed if the GOP controll senate, and i am sure they would give obama a hard time as president
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