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View Poll Results: Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 9 Rating
Perfect 10 56 43.75%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 41 32.03%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 22 17.19%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 3.91%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.78%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 3 2.34%
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Old 2013-06-02, 17:58   Link #101
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Yeah, I was half-expecting a major twist with the Hideauze and I wasn't disappointed.
And I guess this is the part from which things are going to escalate.
Especially since this is Urobuchi we're talking about I think this series is far frombeing over with the surprises.

Well, we'll see it in just a couple of weeks.

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Damn you, Butch Gen. But I really should have predicted that one, it reminded me of Saya no Uta.
Particularly to one of the endings.
At least I hope Ledo doesn't have the same mental illness as SnU's protagonist.
Because if yes then the last episode is indeed going to be very-very shocking.
Granted, Urobuchi never does a plot twist without any foreshadowing, the chances for the latter are extremely unlikely.

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Old 2013-06-02, 17:59   Link #102
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Wooooooooow. Did not see that coming at all. This practically changes everything.

But overall a good episode. When I saw the baby forms I had a hunch but I thought maybe it was just a coincidence.

Dammit, Chamber. I can't believe he just ignored Ledo's command. Should be real good next episode.
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Old 2013-06-02, 18:04   Link #103
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Well this was a surprise...
Spoiler for The Truth about the aliens....:


This would explain why the Earth Hideauze are so weak compared to the ones in space.
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Old 2013-06-02, 18:11   Link #104
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Urobutcher does it again. I liked how the build up to all this from when the whalesquids started to show up to this point. Well played.
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Old 2013-06-02, 18:36   Link #105
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Spoiler for speculation re origin of Gargantians:
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Old 2013-06-02, 18:56   Link #106
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This show has had its ups and downs, going from excellent to okay to abysmal and then back to okay again. However this episode, I really don't know what to say about it. The beginning was good, but as it kept going and the big reveal was shown, all I could say to myself was, "Really?...REALLY?! You had all this to work with and this is what you came up with?!"

To say this show has jumped the shark in my opinion, is an understatement. It has literally hurdled over it.

Red fights the many earth Hideauze who are not nearly as strong as space Hideauze and comes across hidden classified information. We find out that the Hideauze are no alien lifeforms, or at least they didn't start out that way. The Hideauze are "evolved" humans who through experimentation were changed into beings that were able to first survive in deep sea and then in Space. A war erupted between the non-evolved and evolved humans that went into deep space and thus the conflict between the Hideauze and the Alliance began.

Now, even forgetting the hideous misuse of science and "evolution" in this episode that makes the biologist in me writhe in pain, the notion that these flowers, nautilus, snails, squid, etc. were all once human is so ridiculous, that it makes everything in Valvrave believable. And knowing that the Hideauze are indeed pseudo-human makes not only the whole thousands year war idiotic and both sides can kill each other for all I care. The Hideauze are not some lower lifeform that is merely acting on instinct, they have the same capacity to think and act as we do, which makes them just as bloodthirsty as the Alliance. I say let them keep fighting their war in the stars if they wish, it's all meaningless as each side hits tit for tat.

As for the Hideauze of Earth, they seem to be just as underdeveloped as their human counterparts are in comparison to the Alliance. They didn't "evolve" the ability to live or travel in space and so are stuck in their deep sea beginning form.

This series just suddenly got so ridiculous and silly and with only 3 or 4 episodes to correct this trainwreck, I am not expecting much. I've gotten this far in the series, so I will continue to the end. However, I will always remember this series for the chancy but still absurd "squid-people" plotline.
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:12   Link #107
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/me claps hand at Gen Urobochi's twist.

If he can make a 38 year old man jumping out of chair and mentally screaming What the Fuck, he owned me, man.

I still recovering from the shock of the revelation.
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:14   Link #108
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Thing is, the Space squid girl couldn't have been the one killed at the end IMO. Too many years between now and then, for starters, but the fact the other girl was a Space type also means they most likely couldn't be the same being. The fact she looked like her was just part of what lead Ledo to flip out. Another part was that the one from the ancient past had looked like Amy as a child and he put it all together, thus leading to what freaked him out so badly.
Pretty much my thoughts on this, and basically what I wanted to suggest was going on there. The resemblance of the Matsumoto daughter to Amy (probably) isn't relevant to the overarching plot, but it's very relevant to Ledo's slipping grasp on the situation, and to the audience for similar reasons. Likewise, there's no reason to believe the crushed squidling was the Matsumoto daughter, but the connection is apparent: It too human roots, and moreover, it was a child. Not important in the grand scheme of things, but it provokes a visceral reaction.

This all throws the nature of the galactic conflict into question, especially the way that Ledo rationalizes the whalesquid's less aggressive nature, and the relative peace with humans of Earth as compared to the Hideauze. There are clearly two factions at the start of the conflict, but that war went out into the stars, and doesn't account for what happened to those who remained behind and had to survive and ice age, and later the flooding of most of the planet.

Just as there is no existing connection between the Earthlings and the GA, we can't assume that the whalesquids' future actions can be predicted by the brutally expansionist Hideauze. What CAN be predicted is how they're likely to react to having one of(?) their nests exterminated...
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:20   Link #109
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Seriously that the development was interesting I wont say I didnt see it coming but it was delightfully surprising mankind playing with the human genome to create a being that is well suited in 0g environment..... then suddenly the evolved started gaining intelligence, an ego and its own parliament and we have x-men type situation
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:24   Link #110
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yup
pfft, one of my friends BEGGED me to watch this episode since I stopped watching it and. . .yeah:

I agree with what you said. . .maybe if they hadn't wasted so much time and had this episode like. . . two episodes ago I'd care more. but nope I don't I guess the director of the belly dance scene was trying to allude to the human/squid hybrid (look at their clothing) of course I'd rather have a decently paced and high quality storyline than "foreshadowing." (a decently paced story/high quality storyline has all of these things.)

Other than the killing of the babies, and Chamber crushing the Moe squid girl for the shock value and the obligatory "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo" scene, nothing of value was lost.

well off to tell my friend to go F*ck himself for wasting my time. . .
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:25   Link #111
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In other words

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Old 2013-06-02, 19:32   Link #112
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So Ledo's been fighting Ika Musume's immediate family all along???!!! :O


I knew the whalesquids were experiments, but this was unexpected.

In fact this plotline would fit right at home in a new Dr Who episode!
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:38   Link #113
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Ika Musume jokes have been lurking in the background ever since the term "whalesquid" appeared. Now they're just more... foreground.
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:43   Link #114
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Seriously, why?
Literally every other board I've seen (Evageeks, /m/, /a/, MAHQ...), there is someone or several users that theorize that Ledo travelled back thousands of years in time. Although now that I think about, with this new twist, it's actually now moot.
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:45   Link #115
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Whatever my final take on Gargantia as a whole ends up being, I must say this:

Well-played, Gen, well-played.


This time, you really did have many people believing that the show wasn't going to get all that dark. But now we get very dark and intriguing revelations to say the least.
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Old 2013-06-02, 19:53   Link #116
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Spoiler for Discussion:
Both sides are evil really. The Alliance are warmongers, but the "Evolvers" were just as bad doing horrid illegal human experimentation, and were fighting the alliance just as hard. Both sides wanted to strand the other to death on Earth. Both sides (at least the ones in space) are just as evil as the other and can both continue this war for all time if they wish for all I care. I'm through. Once I finish this series I will never be looking at again.
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Old 2013-06-02, 20:18   Link #117
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Incidentally (and I grabbed this screenshot from RandomCuriosity), the bombers had me thinking of the love child of a B-2 Spirit and a White Star.

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Old 2013-06-02, 20:48   Link #118
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Actually, fans of old school Doctor Who will recognize much of the "Kaleds vs. Thals" war in this conflict.
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Old 2013-06-02, 20:58   Link #119
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No matter who camout as victor between the GA Hideazu war, human wins. How's that for a happy ending?
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Old 2013-06-02, 21:04   Link #120
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From my perspective the war in space boils down to the Hideauze and Galactic Human Alliance can't just leave each other alone.

The GHA wants to expand to find a habitable planet but the Hideauze kept following them as GHA wormhole technology is the vector of their conquest of space.

It doesn't help that both have evolved to Transhumanist supremacists and Purist supremacists.

Those on Earth? They got left behind and leave each other alone mostly. It doesn't help that they can't communicate.

It has to be noted the symbionts are essentially what Machine Calibers are to the GHA.

Thus I speculate another twist... The machines has taken over the GHA as they've made an interpretation of Zeroth Law.

But the Gargantian's ancestors they abandoned AI and computers so they wouldn't have that crap.
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