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Old 2019-08-25, 15:45   Link #441
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If they were doing to kill Nezuko, they would have just done it. Either Butterfly-Girl-Senpai or Butterfly-Girl-Kouhai would have gotten her eventually. But they even put her back into her box, so she wouldn't die when the sun came up.

Maybe they've heard about her unusual nature from the demon doctor.
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Old 2019-08-25, 23:06   Link #442
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Can't we do a demon slayer backstory next time, just for variety?
Why not? We need to see that some of them actually have hearts. They see Tanjiro running away with his sister and they still want to kill her, thinking it's okay with Tanjiro. No repercussions from this action. Tanjiro won't try to kill them in return.

I can't believe that Shinobu has friends.
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Old 2019-08-26, 00:32   Link #443
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Why not? We need to see that some of them actually have hearts. They see Tanjiro running away with his sister and they still want to kill her, thinking it's okay with Tanjiro. No repercussions from this action. Tanjiro won't try to kill them in return.

I can't believe that Shinobu has friends.
There is nothing wrong with Shinobu's actions.
She thinks that Nezuko was a normal demon who eats people, and in that case, she must be killed. Whether Tanjiro is okay with it is irrelevant.
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Old 2019-08-26, 10:47   Link #444
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There is plenty wrong with Shinobu's actions. She comes off as a psychopath with her attitude and demeanor, so yes, it's surprising that she has friends. Mainly, she doesn't even stop to question or consider why a senior demon slayer corp member and another member is protecting a pretty much disabled at this point demon. Her attitude is kill without thought, so that in itself is wrong. Not only that, it's that she ASSUMES Nezuko eats people like a normal demon. All her actions are not based on any facts, but her own bias and ignorance.
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Old 2019-08-26, 10:56   Link #445
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There is plenty wrong with Shinobu's actions. She comes off as a psychopath with her attitude and demeanor, so yes, it's surprising that she has friends.
We've only really seen her in demon slaying mode, so I think labelling her as a psychopath is a little quick.

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Mainly, she doesn't even stop to question or consider why a senior demon slayer corp member and another member is protecting a pretty much disabled at this point demon. Her attitude is kill without thought, so that in itself is wrong. Not only that, it's that she ASSUMES Nezuko eats people like a normal demon. All her actions are not based on any facts, but her own bias and ignorance.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it probably is a duck, you know.

Nezuko is literally a miracle, so I don't think it's that surprising that she would jump to kill first.
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Old 2019-08-26, 11:04   Link #446
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There is plenty wrong with Shinobu's actions. She comes off as a psychopath with her attitude and demeanor, so yes, it's surprising that she has friends. Mainly, she doesn't even stop to question or consider why a senior demon slayer corp member and another member is protecting a pretty much disabled at this point demon. Her attitude is kill without thought, so that in itself is wrong. Not only that, it's that she ASSUMES Nezuko eats people like a normal demon. All her actions are not based on any facts, but her own bias and ignorance.
No, there really isn't.

I realize having Nezuko as the first on-screen demon and the rapid introduction of the doctor and her assistant muddles it for anime-only viewers, but those are the only three "good" demons to have ever existed in over a thousand years.

Additionally it's not uncommon for family members to try and protect or control a demonized relative only to be eaten and strengthen the demon instead.

Shinobu's course of action is not only logical, Giyu's and Tanjiro's attempts to stop her are tantamount to betrayal of the Demon Hunters. They'll probably go more in depth later but she is absolutely in the right in literally any scenario but this exact specific once in a millennium abnormality.
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Old 2019-08-26, 11:26   Link #447
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We can only judge those by their actions that we see, and this is what we see.

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Err... except it doesn't walk like a duck, quack like... etc. Nezuko didn't attack any human. She didn't show her powers to Shinobu, so in essence, Shinobu only acted on her bias.


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OK, so first off, basing an argument off of non-anime material is not going to get anywhere in an anime discussion. However, the main point in your discussion is flawed in that Giyu was also protecting the "demon". It's not a family member, but a senior corp member that is your "partner". If she's not stopping to think why this is happening, nor does she even care for the reason, then it's on her. It's a unique situation, so she should pause and at least try to understand the situation before going all psycho and attacking other corp members.
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Old 2019-08-26, 11:34   Link #448
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There is plenty wrong with Shinobu's actions. She comes off as a psychopath with her attitude and demeanor, so yes, it's surprising that she has friends. Mainly, she doesn't even stop to question or consider why a senior demon slayer corp member and another member is protecting a pretty much disabled at this point demon. Her attitude is kill without thought, so that in itself is wrong. Not only that, it's that she ASSUMES Nezuko eats people like a normal demon. All her actions are not based on any facts, but her own bias and ignorance.
She does stop though...

Not only does she stop, she in fact she makes an effort to ask Giyu several times why he's doing what he's doing. Both Giyu and Tanjiro make attempts but Shinobu misinterprets what they're saying. That's partly her fault but that's also partly their fault because they're not explaining themselves well.

There isn't anything to suggest Shinobu is acting on bias and ignorance because we do not yet know for sure whether she or any of the other upper echelons are aware of existence of good demons like Tamako and Nezuko both of which have been consistently portrayed as anomalies. This is just as much conjecture but it would be far more reasonable to assume she's acting on experience, not bias. Giyu said as much in the very first episode that he's seen demons eat their own family countless times and that if Nezuko did attack Tanjiro, he wouldn't have been the first to try and defend a demon and get eaten for it. It's not hard to imagine she's acting on the same principles as well, especially considering she warned Tanjiro himself about the same thing.

Yes, her demeanor and attitude does come across as vindictive and sadistic, and that is no doubt her fault as well. But that's about as far as it goes.
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Old 2019-08-26, 11:36   Link #449
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Err... except it doesn't walk like a duck, quack like... etc. Nezuko didn't attack any human. She didn't show her powers to Shinobu, so in essence, Shinobu only acted on her bias.
Nezuko is obviously a demon, so going by a thousand years of conventional wisdom, she's obviously a man-eater.

To put it another way, imagine that there is an extremely virulent disease with obvious physical symptoms that kills anyone that catches it. People with this disease are usually kept quarantined. One day, you see someone with this disease walking around with someone else.

What would you think, that this person somehow isn't virulent or that they are and the person they're with is crazy?
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Old 2019-08-26, 11:36   Link #450
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OK, so first off, basing an argument off of non-anime material is not going to get anywhere in an anime discussion. However, the main point in your discussion is flawed in that Giyu was also protecting the "demon". It's not a family member, but a senior corp member that is your "partner". If she's not stopping to think why this is happening, nor does she even care for the reason, then it's on her. It's a unique situation, so she should pause and at least try to understand the situation before going all psycho and attacking other corp members.
As I said, it's the presentation that causes the problem. The manga put more emphasis on the fact that Nezuko is effectively a freak of nature for being able to control herself.

And Giyu is the one who in literally any other situation would be out of line. He's directly interfering with someone of equal rank who is discharging her duties. There's no reason for her to assume Nezuko is different, and neither Tanjiro or Giyu are giving her anything besides "I dont want her to die" and "she's different". Which is literally the basic familial response to demonization.
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Old 2019-08-26, 11:50   Link #451
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Old 2019-08-26, 15:29   Link #452
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She does stop though...

Not only does she stop, she in fact she makes an effort to ask Giyu several times why he's doing what he's doing. Both Giyu and Tanjiro make attempts but Shinobu misinterprets what they're saying. That's partly her fault but that's also partly their fault because they're not explaining themselves well.
I agree. I'm willing to give Tanjirou a pass because he's obviously exhausted. But Giyu? That guy's just a terrible communicator with an out-of-whack sense of priorities. (Pacify her first, worry about your popularity later.)

Shinobu could have put a little more effort into not sidetracking Giyu and getting an explanation out of him, but she didn't really owe it to him.
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Old 2019-08-26, 16:27   Link #453
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Old 2019-08-26, 18:42   Link #454
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I agree. I'm willing to give Tanjirou a pass because he's obviously exhausted. But Giyu? That guy's just a terrible communicator with an out-of-whack sense of priorities. (Pacify her first, worry about your popularity later.)

Shinobu could have put a little more effort into not sidetracking Giyu and getting an explanation out of him, but she didn't really owe it to him.
What would Giyu even say anyway? He had completely forgotten about Tanjirou and Nezuko's existence until now. He himself has no way to know that Nezuko is completely harmless, unless he can tell that a demon hasn't eaten a human like Tanjirou with his super smell.
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Old 2019-08-26, 19:59   Link #455
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She does stop though...

Not only does she stop, she in fact she makes an effort to ask Giyu several times why he's doing what he's doing. Both Giyu and Tanjiro make attempts but Shinobu misinterprets what they're saying. That's partly her fault but that's also partly their fault because they're not explaining themselves well.

There isn't anything to suggest Shinobu is acting on bias and ignorance because we do not yet know for sure whether she or any of the other upper echelons are aware of existence of good demons like Tamako and Nezuko both of which have been consistently portrayed as anomalies. This is just as much conjecture but it would be far more reasonable to assume she's acting on experience, not bias. Giyu said as much in the very first episode that he's seen demons eat their own family countless times and that if Nezuko did attack Tanjiro, he wouldn't have been the first to try and defend a demon and get eaten for it. It's not hard to imagine she's acting on the same principles as well, especially considering she warned Tanjiro himself about the same thing.

Yes, her demeanor and attitude does come across as vindictive and sadistic, and that is no doubt her fault as well. But that's about as far as it goes.
She really wasn't looking for info.She was just keeping Giyu tied to one area so her partner could kill Nezuko. In fact, as the announcement was happening, she was about to stab Giyu in the face.
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Old 2019-08-30, 17:00   Link #456
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She really wasn't looking for info.She was just keeping Giyu tied to one area so her partner could kill Nezuko. In fact, as the announcement was happening, she was about to stab Giyu in the face.
I think if she wasn't looking for info and was just trying to keep Giyu in one place then she wouldn't have constantly asked for info, attempted to escape from Giyu to go after Nezuko and get visibly pissed when Giyu still wouldn't give her any info (which is what prompted the attempted face stab).
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Old 2019-08-31, 14:32   Link #458
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The Hashiras are a bunch of whack jobs. I'm guessing Mitsuri, the pink haired one, seems to be the most stable, if you can call it that, and hence, she was the one that spoke the most with the most screen time this episode. Well, Giyu is the most sensible in the group, but he has a speaking problem.


I mean, how stupid can you be when the Master already said that Tanjirou has seen Kibutsuji, whom the Hashiras want to know information about, and then the Hashiras want to gain information from Tanjirou but proceeds to turn him into an enemy by threatening and proceeding to kill his sister, who he obviously values above all else by his actions just a few minutes before? That's just plain stupid. Awfully stupid. Astronomically stupid.


The letter already stated that Tanjirou will commit ceremonial suicide if his sister, Nezuko, assaults human. Well, kill Nezuko, and Tanjirou will commit suicide. So how are you going to learn about Kibutsuji now, who you desperately want to know?


Obviously, Nezuko is not going to be killed and will be allowed to travel with Tanjirou by the next episode, but all the actions beforehand just makes these Hashiras seem crazy and stupid all rolled into one.
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Old 2019-08-31, 14:40   Link #459
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20 minutes of obnoxious people arguing with each other and bullying the main character. The only Pillars I like so far are Mitsuri who seems genuinely nice and Tomioka who isn't over the top/loud like the others. I'm sure they all have some really tragic backstories and that I'll eventually learn to like them, but my first impression of them is horrible. "Over the top" is probably my main complaint, it was the same with Zenitsu and Inosuke, I feel like the author is trying too hard to make his characters stand out.
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Old 2019-08-31, 17:22   Link #460
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The Hashiras are a bunch of whack jobs. I'm guessing Mitsuri, the pink haired one, seems to be the most stable, if you can call it that, and hence, she was the one that spoke the most with the most screen time this episode. Well, Giyu is the most sensible in the group, but he has a speaking problem.


I mean, how stupid can you be when the Master already said that Tanjirou has seen Kibutsuji, whom the Hashiras want to know information about, and then the Hashiras want to gain information from Tanjirou but proceeds to turn him into an enemy by threatening and proceeding to kill his sister, who he obviously values above all else by his actions just a few minutes before? That's just plain stupid. Awfully stupid. Astronomically stupid.


The letter already stated that Tanjirou will commit ceremonial suicide if his sister, Nezuko, assaults human. Well, kill Nezuko, and Tanjirou will commit suicide. So how are you going to learn about Kibutsuji now, who you desperately want to know?


Obviously, Nezuko is not going to be killed and will be allowed to travel with Tanjirou by the next episode, but all the actions beforehand just makes these Hashiras seem crazy and stupid all rolled into one.
And cruel. There's a good dollop of cruelty in them too.

Though I'd say Shinobu's the most stable of the lot. She asks pertinent question. She's willing to wait for answers. Mitsuri's more passive than anything.
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