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Old 2019-08-31, 18:02   Link #461
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The Hashiras are a bunch of whack jobs. I'm guessing Mitsuri, the pink haired one, seems to be the most stable, if you can call it that, and hence, she was the one that spoke the most with the most screen time this episode. Well, Giyu is the most sensible in the group, but he has a speaking problem.


I mean, how stupid can you be when the Master already said that Tanjirou has seen Kibutsuji, whom the Hashiras want to know information about, and then the Hashiras want to gain information from Tanjirou but proceeds to turn him into an enemy by threatening and proceeding to kill his sister, who he obviously values above all else by his actions just a few minutes before? That's just plain stupid. Awfully stupid. Astronomically stupid.


The letter already stated that Tanjirou will commit ceremonial suicide if his sister, Nezuko, assaults human. Well, kill Nezuko, and Tanjirou will commit suicide. So how are you going to learn about Kibutsuji now, who you desperately want to know?


Obviously, Nezuko is not going to be killed and will be allowed to travel with Tanjirou by the next episode, but all the actions beforehand just makes these Hashiras seem crazy and stupid all rolled into one.
After the master mentioned Kibutsuji, Sanemi was the only one who continued. Everyone else stopped.
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Old 2019-08-31, 19:15   Link #462
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"Good" demons like Nezuko are extremely rare (only Nezuko and Lady Tamayo regained self-control, and most people don't even know about the latter). 99.9999% of demons kill and eat humans, so it's normal for the hashiras to hate them.

Not to mention the hashiras might have personal grudges against demons.

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Old 2019-08-31, 20:02   Link #463
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well that was underwhelming and disappointed in how stupid are the hashiras, thundrakkon said it perfectly.

I always hate characters like sanemi.
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Old 2019-08-31, 20:08   Link #464
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The Hashiras are a bunch of whack jobs. I'm guessing Mitsuri, the pink haired one, seems to be the most stable, if you can call it that, and hence, she was the one that spoke the most with the most screen time this episode. Well, Giyu is the most sensible in the group, but he has a speaking problem.


I mean, how stupid can you be when the Master already said that Tanjirou has seen Kibutsuji, whom the Hashiras want to know information about, and then the Hashiras want to gain information from Tanjirou but proceeds to turn him into an enemy by threatening and proceeding to kill his sister, who he obviously values above all else by his actions just a few minutes before? That's just plain stupid. Awfully stupid. Astronomically stupid.


The letter already stated that Tanjirou will commit ceremonial suicide if his sister, Nezuko, assaults human. Well, kill Nezuko, and Tanjirou will commit suicide. So how are you going to learn about Kibutsuji now, who you desperately want to know?


Obviously, Nezuko is not going to be killed and will be allowed to travel with Tanjirou by the next episode, but all the actions beforehand just makes these Hashiras seem crazy and stupid all rolled into one.
I'd say the position of most sensible and stable both go Shinbou. Unlike Giyuu, she didn't see Nezuko defend her brother or have her personally be trained by a close confidant. Shinbou is going into this blind about Nezuko's nature, but she is still willing to hear out Tanjiro, show kindness by providing him water and did chastise the guy that was stabbing Nezuko.
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Old 2019-08-31, 23:39   Link #465
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The Demon Slayer Corps has been in business for over 1000 years, case like Nezuko never happened. Tamayo's dialogue in her episode implied that she did eat humans back in her day. Yuushiro is implied to never eat humans but just drink a little blood, but the corps doesn't know about Yuushiro. The guy turned into demon by Muzan and taken care by Tamayo may also have not eaten humans with Tamayo's treatment, but he did try to eat his wife.

KnY spinoff, Tomioka Gaiden, which is unlikely to be animated, implies that pillars experiences people protecting their family members turned demons a lot, saying that "such and such are different and they will not eat humans". They also face demons asking for mercy promising them not to eat humans a lot. None ends well. So yeah, there's no reason they trust Tanjirou and Nezuko for they have seen the scene unfolds many times and it's always end with the demon eating humans.
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Old 2019-08-31, 23:41   Link #466
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well that was underwhelming and disappointed in how stupid are the hashiras, thundrakkon said it perfectly.

I always hate characters like sanemi.
More "broken" than "stupid" TBH. But yeah, I can't stand most of the hashira myself even as of the current manga chapter
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Old 2019-08-31, 23:59   Link #467
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Iguro Obanai might have stopped pressing Tanjirou, who has broken bones and injuries all over the place, on the rock ground, but he still told Sanemi to bring Nezuko into the dark area. He is still enabling Sanemi instead of telling him to stop or staying quiet, so he didn't completely stop.



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Except that the Master is the one saying to let them be. They may not trust Tanjirou and Nezuko, but to not trust, or in this case, have no faith in the judgement of the Master is a major issue.
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Old 2019-09-01, 01:19   Link #468
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The Demon Slayer Corps has been in business for over 1000 years, case like Nezuko never happened.
Or maybe they did, and the Demon Slayers killed them anyway.
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Old 2019-09-01, 01:48   Link #469
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Or maybe they did, and the Demon Slayers killed them anyway.
You watched Goblin Slayer, didn't you?
Do you agree with the protagonist, or will you spare some goblins, hoping that there might be some good goblins?
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Old 2019-09-01, 02:06   Link #470
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You watched Goblin Slayer, didn't you?
Do you agree with the protagonist, or will you spare some goblins, hoping that there might be some good goblins?
It's different. If a goblin has been closely watched for years and shown no sign of hostility to humans, then yes, I might take a chance on it.
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Old 2019-09-01, 02:23   Link #471
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If I was Tanjiro I also would have given that guy a headbutt, how dare you hurt Nezuko.

I hope she kicks his ass in the next episode.
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Old 2019-09-01, 04:59   Link #472
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The hashira are certainly an... eccentric bunch. Actually most of them seem like jerks or are just crazy. Tomioka grumbling about being disliked in the last episode now seems sane compared to most of them.

Huh, so Urokodaki was a former hashira. He must've been really good to survive that long (based on the Master's comment about being happy to see them all again after the last hashira meeting). Well, their hatred of demons is understandable considering how evil or crazy almost every demon we've seen is (with Nezuko and Tamayo as the exceptions) but they're not exactly a... likable bunch. At least Urokodaki and the Master vouch for Tanjiro and Nezuko but the rest, ugh. I actually miss Zenitsu and Inosuke by now, compared to the higher-ups.

Thinking back, Tanjiro is really lucky it was Tomioka who he first met and gave them a chance considering how crazed (or out of it) the rest of the hashira are.
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Old 2019-09-01, 05:58   Link #473
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Huh, so Urokodaki was a former hashira.
Probably the teacher of Zenitsu was an hashira too, given that, i was surprised there wasn't a thunder hashira among the current ones.

Guess there are more than 9 elements, and some are currently dead, until a new disciple/recruit raises the ranks to claim back the spot.
Or maybe the elements are just individual for each demon slayer, with some being unique, though there is clearly a pattern with:
Urokodaki --> Tomioka --> Tanjiro
All water breath users.


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I mean, how stupid can you be when the Master already said that Tanjirou has seen Kibutsuji, whom the Hashiras want to know information about, and then the Hashiras want to gain information from Tanjirou but proceeds to turn him into an enemy by threatening and proceeding to kill his sister, who he obviously values above all else by his actions just a few minutes before? That's just plain stupid. Awfully stupid. Astronomically stupid.
The explanation is cruelty.

You don't need to be friends with someone to interrogate them, for the hashira Tanjiro is a rule breaker, him knowing about Kibutsuji doesn't change that in their eyes.
At least, it doesn't change for the two hashira who continued on to harass Nezuko, the wind and snake hashira.


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"Over the top" is probably my main complaint, it was the same with Zenitsu and Inosuke, I feel like the author is trying too hard to make his characters stand out.
On the bright side, they're all pretty vivid.

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Old 2019-09-01, 08:03   Link #474
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Probably the teacher of Zenitsu was an hashira too, given that, i was surprised there wasn't a thunder hashira among the current ones.
Yes. Zenitsu master is a former hashira. Remember a scene where someone was talking to Zenitsu on why a former hashira is teaching a useless guy like him?
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Old 2019-09-01, 08:36   Link #475
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Or maybe they did, and the Demon Slayers killed them anyway.
This is possible, but I think selective bias may be more probable. The slayers are generally called in when there's report of killing spree by demons. Demons that don't eat humans like Tamayo will slip under their radar.
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Old 2019-09-01, 09:43   Link #476
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It's also possible they get killed by other demons.

I'm just saying, there might be reasons Nezuko seems unprecedented, but isn't.
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Old 2019-09-01, 09:45   Link #477
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To be fair, it's not hard to imagine that they've been dealing with cruel and vindictive demons like Spidermom, Jabba the Hut and the Shadow Clones for decades as well as dealing with humans naively defending demons. So there's very likely a strong element of dehumanization at work clouding their judgement.

And now that I think about it, I suppose this is meant to be a portrayal of the samurai culture back in the day which was supposedly rather "honor before reason" and featured a general wanton disregard for moral and ethics. I liked the way Dororo portrays them because there was absolutely no equivocation there but this particular author has real trouble when it comes to the finer details, filling in the gaps and providing context so that we have a good basis on how we're meant to judge the Demons Corps and their culture of cruelty (On a related note: I still can't get over the fact that it's 22 episodes and we've still been given no explanation on whether Tanjiro is actually creating water or not with his water forms XP).

Now to be fair, compassion is an attribute that crops up a lot in this story and it's been alluded to us many times that the Demon Corps have a spartan/military-esque culture that lacks it (and probably views it a sign of weakness) but it doesn't get a lot of focus and it's still hard to know how to judge it, because we don't know the extent to which their lack of compassion is based on pragmatism or not and that's where the nuance in this debate really lies.

And with all that being said I wish they hadn't dragged this out and ended on such a cliffhanger. Reminds me a lot of Attack on Titan and how that story lost a lot of steam wasting its time on characters debating the Eren Equation after he became a Titan Shifter.
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Old 2019-09-01, 09:45   Link #478
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When the insect lady was talking to the spider demon, she claimed that she only killed 10 people, EVER, and she was forced to do so. While in reality, she killed 50, and fairly recently.

So it's likely that these Hashira have run into other demons that, when things go badly for them, claim to be "good demons", hoping to be spared.

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This is possible, but I think selective bias may be more probable. The slayers are generally called in when there's report of killing spree by demons. Demons that don't eat humans like Tamayo will slip under their radar.
I believe most demons HAVE to eat humans or they go crazy.
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Old 2019-09-01, 11:27   Link #479
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KnY spinoff, Tomioka Gaiden, which is unlikely to be animated, implies that pillars experiences people protecting their family members turned demons a lot, saying that "such and such are different and they will not eat humans". They also face demons asking for mercy promising them not to eat humans a lot. None ends well. So yeah, there's no reason they trust Tanjirou and Nezuko for they have seen the scene unfolds many times and it's always end with the demon eating humans.
So why did Tomioka let Nezuko go in the first place then?

And the issue isn't so much that they don't trust Tanjirou, but that they don't trust a former pillar (who I'm guessing is highly respected given he survived this long), a current pillar, and even their own master.
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Old 2019-09-01, 12:29   Link #480
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To be fair, it's not hard to imagine that they've been dealing with cruel and vindictive demons like Spidermom, Jabba the Hut and the Shadow Clones for decades as well as dealing with humans naively defending demons. So there's very likely a strong element of dehumanization at work clouding their judgement.
Wanting to kill Nezuko is completely understandable. But that's not what they're doing, is it?
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