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I'd like to add the fact that IMO that local TV stations in my country buy broadcasting rights of a title from, say d-Rights or Sunrise, then they air it in dubbed form. This is one of the legal ways for me (although in a very long way) to support the efforts of the studio financially and to recoup their costs, despite the fact that localization is a hit-or-miss proposition (with fans these days so sensitive about the dubbing). Going back to topic, @Vexx, either the spokespersons are telling the truth or they're seeking blame for their faults, taking advantage of the current economic downturn.
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visiting the ANN forum most certainly didnt help answer any of my queries, but instead has left me with more doubts and worries than before. I noticed that the focus there was more on the issue on the effects of fansubbing, and whether its the root cause of the problem. couple that with the fact that other entertainment industries i.e. videogames ( correct me if im wrong, infact ill be glad if i was) have not been effected all that badly, does point to the fact that there is something wrong with the anime industry apart from the recession. having said that, it has been hammering out close to 200 bilion yen for the last few years, and only since 2007 ( as far as i know) have they been incurring serious losses. would that be due to the fact that the anime community which depends on fansubs has grown rapidly since then, or that the global recession started then as well? its all slightly distressing
at any rate, is there any way we can gauge the severity of the problem/what the problem is and its implications just from the article? edit: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features...20TDY13002.htm |
2009-03-05, 23:03 | Link #44 | |
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@dahoosafeth: there's obviously a parallel in the situation going on here in my country. In the minds of local TV stations here, anime is not a salable asset. Based on my observations over the few years, anime programming on free-to-air television in the Philippines has decreased as well (to the extent of only one or two titles on the 5:30pm slot, and the schizophrenic decisions of TV station CEOs and program acquisition managers). Add that problem with the following factors: * cable television, * pirated DVDs, * the Internet, * cellular phones, * computer games (including MMOGs), * dedicated channels for anime such as Hero TV and Animax SEA, but facing heavier competition from American cartoons offered by CN, Nickelodeon, and Disney (all three "Americans" popular with parents wanting their children to learn the English language, and also popular with the advertisers), * and the continuous overwhelming mainstream popularity of soap operas from Latin America and East Asia (i.e. although both came from Hana Yori Dango, Meteor Garden was far more popular than its anime equivalent) and fantasy shows (called "fanta-serye") So it boils down there that one of my 9-year-old nieces asks me if there's a Goong (a Korean teen soap opera) replay on TV tonight. Or that my nephew is asking me permission to go down to the nearest computer shop and play online games. If they want to watch TV, it's soap operas and noontime variety shows.
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2009-03-05, 23:13 | Link #45 | |
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For the American movie industry theaters are really hurting, but companies like Netflix are doing well. Why pay $30 for a family to go to a movie at a theater when for $18 you watch 18 moves a month. The companies who come up with new ideas will survive those stuck in ruts will die...unless the government keeps them afloat. Or they are like several major companies that have massive rainy day cash reserves ie Toyota. Never go to the ANN boards if you want to learn something. The same people will hijack every single thread. |
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2009-03-05, 23:26 | Link #46 |
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Although I think fansubs have a detrimental effect to an extent on the industry (it can be easily argued that they're actually better for the industry) and they need to be dealt with soon, they are not the cause of the bubble bursting. If in fact it is.
The anime industry needs to be revamped and they need to learn how to monetize more effectively. Higher quality is also necessary. One of my goals if I become successful financially is actually to open an Anime production studio. So I have a lot of ideas about how the industry should adapt. |
2009-03-05, 23:39 | Link #47 | |
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just out of curiousity - how did the japanese anime industry pick itself up after the 1980's crash - wasnt a large part of it to do with hooking up with US companies? |
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2009-03-06, 00:11 | Link #48 |
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anime is profitable, otaku in japan support the industry, if it wasn't profitable you wouldn't have all these industries based around anime. What we are talking about is a slow down in the industry, because all industries go through a growth and shrikage cycle, it just some are worried with the compounding of the global economy the industry might shrink or burst so to say. Similar to other sectors of the economy that have burst in the past, like housing, to blue chips. Like any industry as long as you have a solid product that consumers want, with time you can rebuild, this happened with blue chips, it will happen with housing, it really depends on what your selling.
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2009-03-06, 01:18 | Link #49 | |
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having said that, the article about the change in time slots is worrying, i hate to put it in.. such a stupid way, but if japan itself loses faith in anime, it would spell disaster. however, is there any real reason to believe that? the article states that kids might not grow up watching anime, might specifically refer to the timeslot where kids could watch, rather than the whole industry in total? i would hope that thats what the author intended on applying.. im curious to what implications shuffling time slots around like that really has. well the more i read about it the more i believe that there is need of some serious revamping of business strategies.. i sure hope digitizing the media helps as its intended to - yet as far as i know a lot of what is available for 'legal' streaming and download are dubs - not something that will break the fansubbing trend . anyways, what does all of this really indicate, an issue, while being serious, blown out of proportions, or a very real threat to the existence of the anime industry? |
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why would a us crash be that detrimental to the japanese industry, the us produces zero anime, all it does is distributes the product. Japanese otaku fandom is what really supports the industry, having a slice of the U.S. pie is nice but in all actuality they could survive with out the us. Right the american anime industry is flawed in the way it handles its fan base and its overall marketing. Basically the only real community that the anime industry owns right now is Anime News Network, and you can tell they've been bought, just read some of their reviews, on average pretty much every anime scores 8 or above, its basically a big comercial for anime products. The U.S. slice is not critical to the japanese at all, if the u.s went poof most likely they would scale down production but that in itself would not warrant a complete implosion of that industry.
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Its true us markets help, and actually a lot of shows would never get finished with out money from u.s lisence deals, but still the majority of money that supports the industry come from Japanese otaku, not american otaku, who really aren't even otaku. The mentality is very different, you'll rarley see an american fan buy 52 copies a game to get all the phone cards, though this is just one example, the fandom in japan is much stronger and should be since this were most of the material orginates from. And really when you think about how much japanese fandom supports, not only do the support most of the industry but they also support an entire doujinshi market too. so with the loss of americans, which won't happen, wouldn't be the end, it would just mean a shift from 200+ titles a year to a quater of that.
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Demographics pose a serious threat to the long-term health of the otaku market in Japan. The birth rate continues to decline, and Japan's population becomes older and older. Since anime viewing falls with age, the market for anime in Japan will inevitably shrink in the years ahead. Of course, this is a slow, extended process, not something that will force studios to close their doors in the next twelve months.
One compensating factor that's often discussed is the tendency for younger Japanese adults to remain at home with their parents. Nearly three out of five 25-29 year-old men are still living at home along with just under half of the women.* Young people living at home presumably have more money to spend on entertainment than they would if they were building a family and establishing a household. __________ *Comparable data for the US were harder to find, probably because the incidence of adult children living at home is so much lower. From Table F1 in this report by the Census Bureau, roughly five million households had a child over 25 years of age at home, or some 6% of the estimated 78 million "family" households in 2008, with another 8% having a child between 18 and 25.
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