2011-04-24, 23:04 | Link #7921 | |
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Cornelia is still very much a racist, regardless of any Freudian Excuse. Again, I refer you to her establishing moment where she curb stomps the Middle East and turns it into Area 18. |
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2011-04-25, 03:15 | Link #7923 | |
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2011-04-25, 11:36 | Link #7924 |
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You came blame Charles for that. As he made up this entire spiel about how Britannia was superior to the rest of world and the strong eat the weak and so forth so he could conquer other nations.
Which BTW was all made up. He just wanted the Ragnarok ruins there. He didn't actually believe in any of it. |
2011-04-25, 19:40 | Link #7925 |
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There's a difference between discrimination and racism. You can discriminate people for a number of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with race...
Cornelia wasn't racist, but she did discriminate against numbers. I'm not denying that. Simply being a conquered native without honorary citizen status was enough to be treated like shit. THere didn't seem to be a racial reason for the discrimination though, and Cornelia lets on that she doesn't necessarily agree or feel that way towards people, but since it is empire policy and she is a governmental figure she has to abide by it.
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2011-05-06, 12:02 | Link #7926 | |
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They might as well resurrect the original version of Code Geass R2 which was to continue from where Season One left off; but with a very different ending so that it could not overlap the Zero Requiem. To me, R2 was simply a redo of Season One, as far as the scenes and story dialog is concerned, besides the ending. The death of Lelouch came out of no where. The ending came too fast; too soon. R2 was simply about reaching to the end of the story as quickly as possible. In addition, the ending was to insure that the story could not continue from that standpoint. Last edited by darthfury78; 2011-05-06 at 12:21. |
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2011-05-06, 15:10 | Link #7927 | |
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2011-05-26, 13:16 | Link #7928 | |
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2011-06-24, 15:33 | Link #7929 |
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There was a lot that got derailed due to the fast track the show took.
BTW, an incidental search on some old posts reminded me of certain things, like hating on Ohgi and/or Villetta still being slightly unpopular. Or, the debate about what whether was hero or villain during Zero Requiem. Not to mention how a few people here and there who subscribed to the latter as their own confirmation that he was a bad seed also thought Cornelia was honorable. (Couldn't bring myself to stay any longer to spot any "Lulutards".) |
2011-06-24, 18:06 | Link #7930 |
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Maybe it's just me but doesn't the racist factor seem to be used in the fandom as a giant "this character is bad" marker? I mean, racism sucks in all its shapes and sizes, yeah, but its a really heavy handed way of showing character qualities and motivations. For those who read CG fanfiction on a frequent basis, try to remember how often you've been introduced to a negative character and seen them do something racist within the first 5 minutes just to show how evil they are. You get the idea.
The reason I mentioned this is because it also seems to overshadow a lot of other personal aspects like the giant neon blinking sign that is. Little things that are, nonetheless, important in the grand scheme of things, especially when often liked chracters such as Cornelia or Clovis are involved. Things like how likely they are to commit genocide at the drop of a hat. Lost an important shipment? Murderize every minority in sight! Need to catch that one guy that dresses so flamboyantly you can see him from space? Genocide, it's not just for third world countries, anymore!Warning, side effects may include megalomania, paranoia, restless legs sindrome, public executions and your own death being broadcast on youtube. Consult your doctor before use. As much as it's an extension of racism, it doesn't seem to get mentioned that often (in the fandom), but that doesn't make it any less important. If you decide to go off and kill civilians just because you can, you do not deserve to check out with any sort of pride or dignity, much less your life. Maybe I'm being anal about details, but when you discuss whether somebody is honorable or not, shouldn't mass murder be the first thing considered? Not discrimination (like not being hired because you're Irish), and maybe not even racism (like beating up somebody, because they're not the same colour as you). Clovis was responsible for Shinjuku and Cornelia ordered her troops to replicate that as closely as possible in episode 7. That should really be enough to make the call. |
2011-06-24, 19:43 | Link #7931 |
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Yeah. Clovis is a bit of a unique case, since as he was given something of a Freudian excuse, and he ended up getting killed right off the bat anyways.
Cornelia on the other hand ended up living through to the end of the show with no serious atonement or redemption for what she did, the worst of it being that she lost her sister and got seriously wounded on two occasions. She still walked out of the show with a happier ending than many more sympathetic characters did. Heck, I'm also suspicious of Guilford, who, even though he might have been following his loyalty to Cornelia, participated in many killings, including, IIRC, the ones ordered by Viceroy Calares. And he's been viewed by some as a mensch, when the best that can be said about him is that he's loyal to the bone, to the point that he'd follow Cornelia over his own country. |
2011-06-24, 21:12 | Link #7932 |
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There are people who claim that Clovis is honorable?
I must meet them. Just to confirm that there are people out there more hopelessly obsessed with him than I am. It's a scary thought. Having said that... Clovis was never shown to give a damn about anyone but Lelouch and a few other members of the royal family, so it's not at all certain that he was particularly racist. In the Sound Drama, at least, he was kinda "meh" upon learning that Lelouch had a so-called Eleven for a friend, though it also sounded like he used to blame the Japanese for his little brother's death at one point. So I'd say it's quite possible he was just trigger-happy rather than horribly racist, which doesn't make him a better person, but more interesting and likeable as a character to me personally. ...But don't mind the over-analyzing fangirl. xD
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I mean, if someone somewhere on the Internet were to say, "You know, that Clovis fangirl..." I would automatically wonder if they're talking about me - and not just because I'm paranoid like that.
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2011-06-25, 05:31 | Link #7936 | |
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I really can't shake the feeling that I've seen more than a few people defending him, though. Eh, maybe the I just noticed the exceptions. |
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The SD just gave me something to actually work with, making me go from "aw" to "omgomgomg must over-analyze". I have this thing for almost-obsessive brotherly love, little screen-time and tragic irony. And let's not forget the massive issues the royal family in general has. Quote:
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