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1) he's clearly gunning for Goutou and no one else, yet he is aware of his situation and still question Goutou intent and Sayu as well. 2) he acknowledged Sayu's charming points, but still didn't beat around the bush and refused 3) he had his reasons to let Sayu stay in his house but also established his reasons why he won't give in, yet came clean that it isn't just about being kind but also being lonely. These points alone make him completely different compared to the aforementioned archetype, whereas the latter would do kind stuff "just because". Yes, that doesn't mean his feelings won't change depending how things go with Goutou, so it is possible the series could shift towards a blooming romance between him and Sayu. However, there is no wishy washy attitude or ambiguous actions he has done so far. Even his act of goodwill changed and he admitted himself that having someone else with him became another reason why he continues to give shelter to Sayu (I insist on the "it became another reason", since it wasn't initially what he wanted until she settled with him). Honestly, I don't see how it is impossible for a guy to act the way he is when it comes to girls. Even IRL, it isn't unheard of people, be it male or female, who don't sleep with someone else unless they have feelings for each other. Quote:
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I won't argue Sayu isn't mature when it comes to that kind of stuff, since 15-17 years old high schoolers can be pretty mature when it comes to sex. But there is a fundamental issue here: she is doing by pure necessity and not for extra cash and whatnot. All of these men knew she had nowhere to go because she asked for shelter, not money or goods. By that definition, it is blatantly obvious she is desperate and not simply partaking in "usual enjo kousai". At this point, you would wonder if they had a slightly shred of conscience. Meanwhile, I cannot fault Sayu for thinking that way because true altruism is indeed rare, but her experience was also painfully enough for her to not expect people helping her out of true kindness. That's why instead of playing the victim, she just did whatever she believe to be necessary for her survival. In truth, I also believe unilateral kindness isn't really natural, but then again, Yoshida didn't really tell her his thoughts and opinion when he decided to let her stay, which confused her. She really needs help so she stop believing she has to provide "some advantage", since not everything has to be give-and-take. But on the other hand, worrying about what the other person wants is perfectly natural and sensible, especially given how Yoshida acted like a perfectly decent guy. This is where Sayu needs to value herself but also learn people may want simplier things. Quote:
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And as far I've learned about japanese sex education is terrible poor, for what i saw it's almost like trying to tell about how babies appear from peachs(being sarcastic here), they barelly teach anything even protection, this is why also abortion is high among teen girls in japan", the sexual education is really poor and parents are "too shy" to try to teach/talk about it, it's almost like sex is some sort of mistic taboo where while everyone do it, talk about it or teach it to kids is almost like a crime or shamefull, which is really weird. Quote:
to be clear i'm not against prostituition, as long it's done by the person because she wants like any other job then is fine which unlike usa where "most of the peoples on that are or peoples with parent issues or peoples doing out of desperation or being coarsed and others stuffs, in japan many started because they wanted and they really true enjoy it and see it as any normal job not something to be "ashamed"( well they parents in many cases do feel ashamed to have a son or daughter on this career but they themselfs don't mind), for me any job as long it don't means bad things like slavery, drugs, kill, stealing and those really true bad things then is a good job and if the person doing it enjoy why not? who i'm to decide if that person must do or not it. Quote:
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I'm personally just staring at the characters and wondering when anyone will tell the police about the protagonist's girl. Quote:
That said, the protagonist is ssooo different from every other guy she has met, and that means every other guy he has met is not kind and from the story so far must mean they are all brutes, so it is possible. Also, because I guess the story wants to portray her as a likeable character, who is a good girl in general who has only done what she has done because she had to.
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Also, yes, it is a narrative plot device to give more credits to Yoshida, but it is acceptable because it is unfortunately not far fetched to have men who think with their libido instead, and do whatever they want the moment their "partner" gave "consent". But the opposite is true, which is illustrated by Yoshida, who is by no means a saint or an exception whatsoever. He himself is aware that letting her stay was not the best decision and admitted in the end he benefits from it. And at least, we were given a proper personal reason for why he doesn't do her, aside of moral/age/etc concern, since it is perfectly reasonable that someone wants to do it only with the person they love.
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I guess your sense of values is completely at odds with mine. Honestly, I do believe people, regardless of their gender, are free to use their body however they wish and sex doesn't have to be with a partner you are in love with. But some circumstances do not make it okay to the slightest. In this very case, this isn't just some mere monetary compensation like your cookie cutter Enjo kousai.
Accepting such offer is not only dubious when it comes to morals but since they don't even receive something actually "solid" (goods or money) to compensate the obvious financial strain and risks of such endeavour, one might asks you "why not doing for free then?". It isn't like satisfying sexual urges are absolutely vital, so if that's the only thing they want in exchange for giving shelter, might as well doing it for free. After all, doing it for free or for sex is exactly the same thing in term of resources spent, although the latter is not only dubious in term of morals, but it is ironically a much more serious risk if that person pretends you raped them if we consider a very cynical scenario. Please note I'm not saying "you should welcome any stranger for free". This is nonsensical. However, if someone were to do that just for sex, then what would prevent them to do that for free if they really intend to help that person? If the sole motivation is just to feel good while the other person probably wouldn't want to do that to begin with, then it is fair to consider them as scum. See the problem? Nobody is expected to be a saint and help people without anything in return. Refusing or redirecting to someone else who has the means are perfectly fine. But readily giving shelter someone in need with such condition which is really dubious to begin with? I have hard time to believe most will find that "normal", especially the other options can be more beneficial while 1) not putting yourself at risk 2) not taking advantage of that person in need. And then you have all of the aggravating circumstances such as Sayu not being an adult.
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that "morally" stuff for me normally is just a excuse for peoples trying to "bossing around other peoples life" if those peoples are doing not really wrong" legally which is wha true matter" morally don't really matter again as long it is legally right. in the moment they do something "legally wrong then i'm totally in saying which what they are doing is wrong, however if is just a matter of "morally" then srry, but your morally means "nothing for me" in the same way i want my morallity means nothing for you and only "legal" stuff which really matters, is exactly because of "morally which we are on that mess in internet and all the cancel culture and war culture with peoples cancelling stuffs because it is "against they morals" and they believe which only wha they see as "right" is right anything else is wrong, this is why i'm not fan of "moral", because it is a very biased stuff. i'm not saying which i'm also don't have some moral standarts and everything is valid, i do have stuffs which i do not like and for me would never be acceptable, however this don't means which i will go trying to force my moral values on others, i'm totally up for the old say: don't judge if you don't want to be judged. ps: and as i forget the say the real deal here is because she is a runaway person, if she was not a runaway and just had leave her family to leave alone then things could even be more "right, the only legal issue is she being a runaway, which indeed is a legal issue which must be adressed and could give problems to anyone.
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I don't understand what kind of "normal" people are talking about here anymore.
It is easy to conclude that Sayu herself is not normal. I think Sayu's action up to now represents the definition of insanity. But now i'm totally confused about whether Yoshida is normal or not. Some people say Yoshida taking Sayu in as of result is normal. Seriously, did someone tell you about what the definition of normal is? Sure the word has many kinds of meanings, but what definition comes in at this case? |
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at last for me "normal means more like logical", what we saw more like the most logical action to do, in this manga case, the most logical act to do would be call the cops even if she "run again", because that is "normally the first option" not the only option, others options would be as yoshida did giver her a temporary shelt when the person him/herself will try to look for her family and her actions, others would have sex, for me "all of then are "normal", what is different is the priority, then normally the first option would be the most common, while the others 2 would be more "rare" because will be based on the type of person she would meet, if she meet kind peoples the chance of they do what yoshida did is high than non kind, the nonkind would most often or call the police or take her offering if they were loners or looking for "cheap sex". and those stuffs, normal as you call is really something really subject and more about how each person have they own vision about what is 'right and wrong".
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Thanks for the answers.
This series, it's just too much for me to take and it is scary. Sayu calling Yoshida "Papa" and one of Youtube videos labeled that scene as "Sayu kawaii moment". I feel like I'm going to throw up when I think about the word "Harem" while watching this series. It really makes me wonder what the author of this series would do if he was in Yoshida's shoes. There are decisions of what do you want to do, must do, and should you even do something about this 24/7 insanity at all. |
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Well, people have their own preferences and it doesn't mean they want to hear that specifically. It could be just the expression or voice. But yeah, it could also be some parental fetish. Who knows *shrugs*
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Teasing is one thing, but to call someone else as "Papa" other than the biological one. Even as a joke, I feel depressed seeing that. It really hit me for the first time when learning how she came to where Yoshida is living all the way from for god only knows how far way she is accurately from. |
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That was my bad, I only realized afterwards and changed my post while you were posting.
As for the distance, if we take the simple distance between Tokyo and Hokkaido, it is approximately 1300 km, which is around 18h by car. And of course, even with the Shinkansen, it is expensive as hell (approx JPY 30k for 8 hours), so no wonder she was broke when she is in Tokyo.
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another thing which i feel is which she was really lucky, because while the peoples she meet before yoshiro were not exactly the "best peoples to meet" and somewhat indeed where scum for what they did, they still much better than if she had indeed get any true "sexual predator" things like rapers, or psychos or others worst things, a lot of really bad things could happened with her and we could not have a manga lol it ending before start :P, but without any doubt she was really lucky for the type of peoples she meet(at last this is what the series shows so far).
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Thought for a few seconds there that I had accidentally begun watching the wrong show.
I can totally understand Sayu not believing that people will help her without expecting anything in return. That's just not normal. So I can sympathize with her relief when he provides another reason why she gets to stay. Although once that moment is over, she will probably realize that once again, she will not be needed once he gets a girlfriend. But at least that won't happen until he gets over Gotou, so she should have some time. "Family time", huh? I guess it was a reasonable conclusion given how the two of them behaved at that time, although they don't look like siblings so she would presumably be a cousin or niece at best. But I wonder how things will develop once she starts blabbering that he has a cousin living with him... someone is bound to wonder why he has been trying to hide that, and put together their own theories. Still hoping she grows up and goes back to Hokkaido. Still pretty sure it doesn't happen, but marginally more optimistic than last week. |
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