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roriconfan · 2009-11-01, 08:00

Seed is obsolete and got a negative fame. Why bother when 00 offers the same and more?

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2009-11-01, 08:01

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

Seed is obsolete and got a negative fame. Why bother when 00 offers the same and more?

Um, maybe because Gundam 00 is good?

Hellbore · 2009-11-01, 08:01

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Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

I don't see the Seed movie ever being made, 00 and Unicorn seem to be the dominant series for now.

Meh, SEED is still a cash cow series. If Fukuda and Morasawa ever get over whatever difficulties they're having, it will still probably be released.

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

Seed is obsolete and got a negative fame. Why bother when 00 offers the same and more?

I think someone needs to check their facts. SEED Destiny, and by extension SEED is the most popular Gundam series, ever. It's also the longest running, if you take SEED and Destiny as one series.

brightman · 2009-11-01, 09:41

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Originally Posted by Hellbore

I think someone needs to check their facts. SEED Destiny, and by extension SEED is the most popular Gundam series, ever. It's also the longest running, if you take SEED and Destiny as one series.

That's not true at all... The original MSG has been and will always been the most popular Gundam series ever, though depending on how you measure popularity, either Seed or Seed Destiny might be second or third or fourth. And I'm not sure who would consider Seed and Destiny one series... If they do that they might as well do the same for MSG/Zeta/ZZ, which would be far longer.

00 is definitely not as popular as Seed by most measures though. If they announce a Seed movie to be released the same day as the 00 one, the Seed movie would probably win out in terms of ticket sales.

Rawinder · 2009-11-01, 11:44

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Originally Posted by Hellbore

I think someone needs to check their facts. SEED Destiny, and by extension SEED is the most popular Gundam series, ever. It's also the longest running, if you take SEED and Destiny as one series.

I think you need to check your facts.

In terms of merchandise, 0079 is the most popular series (see: the endless amount of models/manga/games/spin-offs set during the One Year War). And in terms of tv ratings, Zeta Gundam is the most popular.

brightman · 2009-11-01, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Rawinder

In terms of merchandise, 0079 is the most popular series (see: the endless amount of models/manga/games/spin-offs set during the One Year War). And in terms of tv ratings, Zeta Gundam is the most popular.

Actually, MSG reruns had the best TV ratings... But for the initial run you are correct (for the Kanto area only, not sure about the others).

Revolutionist · 2009-11-06, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Hellbore

I think someone needs to check their facts. SEED Destiny, and by extension SEED is the most popular Gundam series, ever. It's also the longest running, if you take SEED and Destiny as one series.

Not really, the original MSG is the most popular and longest running if you consider all the series set within UC...

GundamFan · 2009-11-09, 13:32

The only 2 series that are defintive milestones in the franchise are the orginal MSG and GW MSG for launching the behemoth franchise that Gundam has become and Gundam Wing for rise in popularity of anime in U.S. to it's present state.

Hellbore · 2009-11-09, 16:48

For all those who replied to me, I meant during it's original run, in which MSG was cancelled. Also, I don't consider the UC saga a single series as it deals with separate issues with new characters, unlike SEED

JMvS · 2009-11-09, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Hellbore

For all those who replied to me, I meant during it's original run, in which MSG was cancelled. Also, I don't consider the UC saga a single series as it deals with separate issues with new characters, unlike SEED

Well, MSG, Zeta, ZZ and CCA (and Unicorn) are pretty much related plot and character wise (with Brigth Noa as common denominator).
I'd say they are as much related to each other as were Seed and Destiny (depending on how you interpret the spotlight hijack).

MSG to Zeta: characters (Amuro, Char, Noa & WB family), reverse plot, direct MS lineage, NT conflict. It's true that MSG became widely popular after it's initial airing, but IIRC Zeta was hugely popular from the beginning.

Zeta to ZZ: characters (Haman, Mineva, Noa, etc...), continuity plot, same MS, NT conflict.

MSG to CCA: characters (Amuro, Char, Noa & WB family), continuity plot, direct MS lineage, NT conflict.

to Unicorn: characters (Mineva, Noa), continuity plot, direct MS lineage, NT conflict.

That makes around 150 TV episodes, a movie and a movie remake (Zeta: a new translation), and 6 upcoming OA.

Hellbore · 2009-11-09, 21:20

Even with all that, I see them as seperate series in a single continuity. If Amuro was the hero of Zeta then I might say yes. SEED to SEED Destiny are a proper sequel series, in my mind.

Anyway, I think this should be dropped as it's subjective and off-topic

brightman · 2009-11-09, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Hellbore

Even with all that, I see them as seperate series in a single continuity. If Amuro was the hero of Zeta then I might say yes. SEED to SEED Destiny are a proper sequel series, in my mind.

So the only reason why you think Destiny is part of Seed is because Kira was the hero for the last ten episodes?

Not really. Destiny deals with totally different themes (and on the most part, character) from Seed, and there are enough differences for them to be a separate series. Heck, its not even subjective, because Sunrise considers them separate shows.

A "sequel series" would be something like Endless Waltz, or Season 2 of 00.

Hellbore · 2009-11-09, 23:12

Like I said, completely subjective. And to me, Gundam 00 was one single series with two season, not two series.

Shiroth · 2009-11-10, 04:52

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Originally Posted by Hellbore

Like I said, completely subjective.

I don't really see how it is, i mean Zeta is as much of a sequel to the original like Destiny is to the first SEED.

wing 00 · 2009-11-13, 12:33

i think gundam wing is the best siries of gundam ever made

Duo Maxwell · 2009-11-14, 07:07

I'm not, and that's coming from a Gundam Wing fan, myself.

fizzmaister · 2009-11-14, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

I'm not, and that's coming from a Gundam Wing fan, myself.

Woah woah woah. Slow down, he's talking about the best siries, not the best series. Until we find out what a siries is, we should use caution when approaching the subject.

~Grammar Nazi signing out.

ISighZ · 2009-11-15, 19:52

I Lol @ the above comment..
Good laugh..
Anyway I prefer Seed. Despite the many flaws... I like the reunion between Kira and Athrun, touching story.

arabian princess · 2009-12-23, 07:10

hey all ^^

i'm just new here

anyways i'm a BIG FAN of GUNDAM especially gundam wing *_^

like it B caouse of the beautiful characters & my fav is duo ^0^

thanx....

avmoghe · 2010-02-23, 00:25

Been away from anime for a while. Finally watched both seasons of 00 Gundam. Guess I'll update my ranking from two/three years ago.

00 Gundam - the first season had me believing that it was going to finally unseat Gundam Seed as my favorite gundam (assuming the action kicked up a notch in the final 5-10 episodes of a 50 episode Gundam show - like it always seems to do). Season 1 ended very strongly, and S1 episode 23 was (and is) one of the best Gundam episodes I've ever seen.

Unfortunately, the trouble started during middle-late S2. This whole innovade/innovator business was quite weak. The villians seemed to be just lingering around doing nothing - almost as if they knew the battles weren't going to be "for real" until the final episodes (we all know nobody was really going to be offed until the closing few episodes). The asian girl "agent" had some sort of master plan that I still don't quite get .

Then of course, we are back to Tomino-like gundams - where science fiction is abandoned and we jump into fantasy. A gundam (or any piece of equipment) should NEVER EVER EVER do anything it was not designed to do - and this show follows UC gundams shows in breaking this rule of sci-fi egregiously. We get a newtype-like miracle/lights/voices going off in random people's heads.. blah blah.

Anyways, I won't complain much more here. Suffice it to say though - that that battles and animation was some of the best I've ever seen - hell lots of times, I thought the battles were going almost too fast - I could barely keep up with what was going on. Lockon Stratos, and Graham Aker, Ali Al Sarches were awesome pilots/characters.

Overall, it goes into the giant bucket of series I consider mediocre... quite disappointing considering the promise at the beginning.

Copied ranking follows (with 00 added) -

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1.) Gundam Seed - After having seen almost every Gundam show, this one remains my clear favorite. Despite its obvious flaws, I still maintain that nothing else in Gundam compares to the last third of the series. This is among my all-time favorite series along with Juuni Kokki, Crest/Banner of the Stars, and Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

2.) MSG Movies - The movies show substantial improvement (in content, as well as animation) over what I've seen of the TV series. The compression of over 40 episodes into three movies rarely allows for a dull moment. This is an excellent trilogy.

---- All of the series ranked below are ones which I thought were simply mediocre.
3.) Victory Gundam
4.) 0083
5.) Zeta Gundam
6.) Gundam 00
7.) 0080
8.) Char's Counterattack
9.) ZZ Gundam
10.) Gundam X
11.) Gundam Seed Destiny
12.) 08th MS Team
13.) Gundam Wing - Endless Waltz
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----The only Gundam entry that I classify as 'bad'
14.) Gundam Wing
----The only Gundam entry that I classify as 'atrocious'
15.) Turn A Gundam

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Note: I've seen 6 episodes of G Gundam, and don't think I can bear to watch anymore.

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Mobile Suit Gundam	31	5.74%
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam	66	12.22%
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ	7	1.30%
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam	11	2.04%
Mobile Fighter G Gundam	15	2.78%
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing	69	12.78%
Mobile Suit Gundam X	22	4.07%
'∀' Turn A Gundam	57	10.56%
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2009-11-09, 16:48	Link #209
Hellbore Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 36	For all those who replied to me, I meant during it's original run, in which MSG was cancelled. Also, I don't consider the UC saga a single series as it deals with separate issues with new characters, unlike SEED __________________ *On Compromise*: Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

2009-11-09, 21:20	Link #211
Hellbore Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 36	Even with all that, I see them as seperate series in a single continuity. If Amuro was the hero of Zeta then I might say yes. SEED to SEED Destiny are a proper sequel series, in my mind. Anyway, I think this should be dropped as it's subjective and off-topic __________________ *On Compromise*: Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

2009-11-09, 23:12	Link #213
Hellbore Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 36	Like I said, completely subjective. And to me, Gundam 00 was one single series with two season, not two series. __________________ *On Compromise*: Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

2009-11-13, 12:33	Link #215
wing 00 Member Join Date: Sep 2009	i think gundam wing is the best siries of gundam ever made __________________ my wings are the wings of both chaos and destiny for i am wingzero

2009-11-01, 08:00	Link #201
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	Seed is obsolete and got a negative fame. Why bother when 00 offers the same and more?

2009-11-09, 13:32	Link #208
GundamFan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	The only 2 series that are defintive milestones in the franchise are the orginal MSG and GW MSG for launching the behemoth franchise that Gundam has become and Gundam Wing for rise in popularity of anime in U.S. to it's present state.

2009-11-14, 07:07	Link #216
Duo Maxwell A Proud Lolicon Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: In front of my computer Age: 37	I'm not, and that's coming from a Gundam Wing fan, myself. __________________

2009-11-15, 19:52	Link #218
ISighZ Oo Hi Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: California	I Lol @ the above comment.. Good laugh.. Anyway I prefer Seed. Despite the many flaws... I like the reunion between Kira and Athrun, touching story. __________________ A: Today I want you to write down what do you want to be in life. B: I want to be happy. A: You don't understand the question. B: You don't understand Life.

2009-12-23, 07:10	Link #219
arabian princess miss"lujain" Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: in my castle	hey all ^^ i'm just new here anyways i'm a BIG FAN of GUNDAM especially gundam wing *_^ like it B caouse of the beautiful characters & my fav is duo ^0^ thanx....

2010-02-23, 00:25	Link #220
avmoghe Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	Been away from anime for a while. Finally watched both seasons of 00 Gundam. Guess I'll update my ranking from two/three years ago. 00 Gundam - the first season had me believing that it was going to finally unseat Gundam Seed as my favorite gundam (assuming the action kicked up a notch in the final 5-10 episodes of a 50 episode Gundam show - like it always seems to do). Season 1 ended very strongly, and S1 episode 23 was (and is) one of the best Gundam episodes I've ever seen. Unfortunately, the trouble started during middle-late S2. This whole innovade/innovator business was quite weak. The villians seemed to be just lingering around doing nothing - almost as if they knew the battles weren't going to be "for real" until the final episodes (we all know nobody was really going to be offed until the closing few episodes). The asian girl "agent" had some sort of master plan that I still don't quite get . Then of course, we are back to Tomino-like gundams - where science fiction is abandoned and we jump into fantasy. A gundam (or any piece of equipment) should NEVER EVER EVER do anything it was not designed to do - and this show follows UC gundams shows in breaking this rule of sci-fi egregiously. We get a newtype-like miracle/lights/voices going off in random people's heads.. blah blah. Anyways, I won't complain much more here. Suffice it to say though - that that battles and animation was some of the best I've ever seen - hell lots of times, I thought the battles were going almost too fast - I could barely keep up with what was going on. Lockon Stratos, and Graham Aker, Ali Al Sarches were awesome pilots/characters. Overall, it goes into the giant bucket of series I consider mediocre... quite disappointing considering the promise at the beginning. Copied ranking follows (with 00 added) - -------------------------------------------------- 1.) Gundam Seed - After having seen almost every Gundam show, this one remains my clear favorite. Despite its obvious flaws, I still maintain that nothing else in Gundam compares to the last third of the series. This is among my all-time favorite series along with Juuni Kokki, Crest/Banner of the Stars, and Legend of the Galactic Heroes. 2.) MSG Movies - The movies show substantial improvement (in content, as well as animation) over what I've seen of the TV series. The compression of over 40 episodes into three movies rarely allows for a dull moment. This is an excellent trilogy. ---- All of the series ranked below are ones which I thought were simply mediocre. 3.) Victory Gundam 4.) 0083 5.) Zeta Gundam 6.) Gundam 00 7.) 0080 8.) Char's Counterattack 9.) ZZ Gundam 10.) Gundam X 11.) Gundam Seed Destiny 12.) 08th MS Team 13.) Gundam Wing - Endless Waltz ---- ----The only Gundam entry that I classify as 'bad' 14.) Gundam Wing ----The only Gundam entry that I classify as 'atrocious' 15.) Turn A Gundam -------------------------------------------------- Note: I've seen 6 episodes of G Gundam, and don't think I can bear to watch anymore.