2010-05-10, 05:14 | Link #1923 | |
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2010-05-10, 06:19 | Link #1924 | |
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And man, the background music as he talked the others into following him to Son Goku was just awesome. I loved the wind instruments.
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2010-05-10, 09:33 | Link #1925 | |
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1st Grade SS1 Goku had a power level of 150 million on Namek. 1st Grade SS1 Trunks seems to be comparable to that Goku. A cybernetic 100% Freeza would surely be beyond 120 million. Due to this reasoning, I feel it would be hard to say who the victor would be had Freeza gone all out.
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2010-05-10, 10:49 | Link #1928 |
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So, what are you guys telling me? Freeza and Cold just kinda let Trunks beat them? Doesn't make any sense, and also the whole point of that scene was to show how strong Trunks was, so I think no amount of powering up would have altered the outcome.
Yeah the music was perfect in my opinion as well. I even remember feeling like "who the hell is this guy?," when I first watched the show as a kid. And also, if you don't know Trunks's character going into the scene he appears fairly ruthless. |
2010-05-10, 10:55 | Link #1929 |
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Watching Freeza split in half and then chopped into little chunks... I didn't expect it to be this graphic. That was definitely censored when I saw it on TV years ago and it was wierd seeing the same scene again, but like this.
I've always wondered how the fight would have played out if Trunks wasn't there (besides the expected dragged out battle with tons of explosions) More so with Cold. You never get to see him go all out afterall. |
2010-05-10, 11:04 | Link #1930 | ||
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Agreed, I wish they had shown that in the beginning of the History of Trunks or something. Though it's possible that Goku decided they had enough chances and to just char broil them on the spot like Trunks did. |
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2010-05-10, 11:17 | Link #1931 |
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I'm still not fully convinced. Granted, what you're saying is true in that they weren't taking Trunks seriously enough. Still, Goku is supposed to have undergone a power-up since his first encounter with Freeza, stemming from increased exposure to SSJ form. Trunks would have already had this, and is used to fighting opponents much stronger than Freeza and Cold. So maybe they could have taken him seriously and lasted a little bit longer, but I think it would have been quick and easy for Trunks either way, especially given the nature of the scene.
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2010-05-10, 11:46 | Link #1932 |
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Oh, it definitely would have been easy, but probably not quick. He'd probably have to break a sweat if both of them attacked him seriously at the same time.
Also, if King Cold had more transformations lying in wait, that could've posed problems. |
2010-05-10, 18:52 | Link #1935 |
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people, ENOUGH with the 120/150 mill with freeza/goku!
yeah, Daizenshuu says so - BUT AKIRA TORYAMA stated that it's a mistake in an interview! last measured power level is one where freeza states that his 2nd form has about a million. and no OFFICIAL power levels were stated afterwards, and, in an interview with Akira, he SAID that it was about 15 mill for goku, and printing mistake in the Daizenshuu was with one more zero! think about it yourself - powerups are to increase fighters power for about 2x, 3x, in the Kaioken instance, it goes to 20x, but, if you want to believe that Freeza full has 240x times his first suppressed form - then you are just dumb. it is as just as you compare the power of a bicycle, with a Sukhoi Su 47 site that got shut down - DBZGTLEGACY had the most probable power levels, but i cant find similar list anywhere. |
2010-05-10, 19:09 | Link #1936 | |
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So, either find these "official interviews", or no one's going to believe you over Daizenshuu. |
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2010-05-10, 20:14 | Link #1937 | |
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I think there's no mistake. No estimations of power level coming from fans will ever convince me that Trunks didn't dominate and slash up Freeza into fine pork chops. That's because he just did. I'll believe power levels when I'll see them coming from Toriyama.
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2010-05-11, 00:07 | Link #1938 | |
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I know that Trunks killed Freeza easily. No one is disputing that. But my point is that Freeza didn't use his full power, so things may have gone down differently in that scenario.
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2010-05-11, 02:43 | Link #1939 | |
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Daizenshuu states Goku's base power when starting his fight with Frieza as 3m, and they're evenly matched, right? And it isn't far-fetched at all to think that Frieza's last form has a base power of 3m, right? But then Frieza goes up to 25%, and Goku needs to use 10x kaioken (which leaves him at 30m) to keep up. Then Frieza goes up to 50%, and Goku uses 20X kaioken (60m).... so, think of Frieza's power ups as a sort of Kaioken and it makes sense... it also explain why he can't sustain his full power for a long period of time.
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2010-05-11, 04:56 | Link #1940 | |
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Perhaps Freeza underestimated him. But what about how easily he was dispatched? One sword strike and it was over. The androids in History of Trunks could avoid and or grab the sword. What about Frieza? If he was as strong as you make it sound, he could've brought his mechanical arm up and defended himself if he was fast enough to parry the blow. He wasn't. And he was in final form. If you mean to say he was waiting to be struck by a sword, his look of absolute fear didn't make it look like he intended it to happen. Then King Cold comes in and assumes the sword actually defeated his son. He has no reason to be underestimating Trunks. He is dispatched with one Ki blast and begging for his life before the next one ends him. I'm sorry, I really couldn't care less about power levels. They mean nothing at this stage. Saying Frieza could put up a fight is baseless. Nothing even hints that he was able to do it except fanmade numbers, fanmade logic and fanmade interpretation. aka I'm done here.
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