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cyberdemon · 2020-11-09, 15:26

Pfizer’s vaccine appears to be 90% effective in early tests

Of course trump and pence congratulated themselves on it only for Pfizer to point out that no government money or help was involved in its creation lol

Jaden · 2020-11-09, 15:58

That's a pretty sleazy thing for Pfizer to say, as if they developed the vaccine out of the kindness of their hearts.

They had to funds to develop it, because there was a promise by governments to purchase hundreds of millions of doses. The private sector would not be capable of mass vaccination programs.

Key Board · 2020-11-09, 16:12

It could be corporate PR

Lots of people don't want to be associated with Operation Warp Speed because of fears that vaccine development will be rushed.
Of course that also means alienating the Trump base, but maybe Pzifer decided that audience overlaps too much with the antivaxx crowd, anyway.

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GDB · 2020-11-09, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Jaden

That's a pretty sleazy thing for Pfizer to say, as if they developed the vaccine out of the kindness of their hearts.

They had to funds to develop it, because there was a promise by governments to purchase hundreds of millions of doses. The private sector would not be capable of mass vaccination programs.

The "promise of purchase" is not actually being funded by the government. Whichever company gets the first usable vaccine gets the purchases, and the rest have sunk costs. So no, it wasn't "sleazy" for them to say that at all.

Interesting that you went after them trying to keep facts as facts, while ignoring Trump and Pence trying to take credit for it though.

Guardian Enzo · 2020-11-09, 16:55

The Pfizer vaccine must be stored at -94 C to maintain efficacy, which is a huge logistical problem unless they can improve on it.

cyberdemon · 2020-11-09, 16:57

Trump is probably banking on “curing COVID” as an achievement should he run again for president in 2024. He loses that if there is no vaccine available before he leaves office.

He’s already complained that they held back the announcement until after the election to hurt his chances despite the fact this isn’t his achievement as they are independent of the government in their research.

Anh_Minh · 2020-11-10, 01:14

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Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Trump is probably banking on “curing COVID” as an achievement should he run again for president in 2024. He loses that if there is no vaccine available before he leaves office.

He can always lie about it. It wouldn't be the first anachronistic claim his supporters gobble up. (Don't they blame Obama for 9/11?)

The advantage with lying is that he can claim to have cured Covid even if it's still raging in 2024.

cyberdemon · 2020-11-12, 20:47

Things are so bad in the us that doctors without border are now intervening

McW · 2020-11-12, 21:17

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Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Things are so bad in the us that doctors without border are now intervening

Why? They have the infrastructure and man power, it's just expensive... and multiples vaccines on testing... I don't think they need them.

ganbaru · 2020-11-12, 21:41

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Originally Posted by McW

Why? They have the infrastructure and man power, it's just expensive... and multiples vaccines on testing... I don't think they need them.

I did watch a video about than they (or another groups of that kind) did some work on the US even before the Pandemic, helping community than couldn't afford treatment. As the infrastructure, let's not forget than it has been build primary for profit in mind, more than for care; it isn't hard to imagine how the US system is ill equip to deal with the epidemic.

cyberdemon · 2020-11-12, 22:12

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Originally Posted by McW

Why? They have the infrastructure and man power, it's just expensive... and multiples vaccines on testing... I don't think they need them.

A safe vaccine is still a few months away and Trump has foregone any COVID assistance. With cases only rising, they likely feared the amount of death in the coming months before a vaccine is ready to roll out.

EroKing · 2020-11-13, 03:44

YouTube

https://youtu.be/ebw1DlaY0yE

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

A long but a highly informative video with updated knowledge about the virus.

- He talks about how difficult it will be in real life conditions to get the vaccine out to most parts of the world, how the vaccine won't be some magic bullet that will give you 100% protection.

- How masks will still be needed for years and years to come.

- The need for booster vaccines and the importance of finding the right dosage which could be effective for years.

- The cost factor of the vaccines depending on the nation.

- How difficult it might be to get adults vaccinated unlike kids.

- Doesn't expect to have enough doses to vaccinate the world till at least 2023 or even 2024. The importance of masks, social distancing and possibility of re-infection.

- Briefly touches on the subject of mutation with the cases of minks spreading the virus in Denmark and parts of Netherlands.

- Possibility of the vaccine being used as a political tool to bully small, weaker or desperate countries for solutions into deals for future leverage.

- Underfunding or momentary freezing of other programs of other serious diseases due to Covid-19.

- Sending the message of that we're really not safe and that we need to recommit to a global response for the virus. Getting used to living with masks and social distancing and that returning to any kind of normalcy pre-Covid will take years and in bits, not all at once. The need to talk about the risks and benefits truthfully and honesty being the way to make people believe that we are sincere.

MeoTwister5 · 2020-11-13, 04:28

I don't think one needs to be a doctor or a scientist to understand that COVID-19 has fundamentally altered human society in ways scarcely matched in history.

The Green One · 2020-11-13, 08:34

It's doubtful anything is going to ever be like it was for years to come at minimum, if we ever get back to "normal" at all.

cyberdemon · 2020-11-13, 17:10

The human body is resourceful. It will eventually adapt and learn to resist COVID. However that will take many years and multiple exposures. If anti Vaxxers would just get over themselves, it could eventually be eliminated but that is unlikely to ever happen

Kuroageha · 2020-11-14, 22:03

In the middle of Covid pandemic: Peru gets a coup d'etat.
Now thousands of people are protesting against their new dictatorship.

EroKing · 2020-11-16, 14:41

Some positive news for a change.

Moderna: Covid vaccine shows nearly 95% protection

mangamuscle · 2020-11-16, 20:49

Just a friendly reminder, yes, you can get covid and dengue at the same time, we already same some cases where I live. Probably not a problem up north where mosquitos are unheard of, but on warmer parts it is a problem.

ganbaru · 2020-11-16, 20:58

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Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Just a friendly reminder, yes, you can get covid and dengue at the same time, we already same some cases where I live. Probably not a problem up north where mosquitos are unheard of, but on warmer parts it is a problem.

How the heck did though than it could be the case?

BUt then again, malaria was once used as a treatment against syphilis...

cyberdemon · 2020-11-16, 22:37

Of course Trump is trying to hammer home that the modern a vaccine was done under his watch. I will admit that this was done under operation warp speed unlike Pfizer but you would think trump was the one who created it

2020-11-09, 15:26	Link #1101
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Jaden Witch of Betrayal Join Date: Jan 2006	That's a pretty sleazy thing for Pfizer to say, as if they developed the vaccine out of the kindness of their hearts. They had to funds to develop it, because there was a promise by governments to purchase hundreds of millions of doses. The private sector would not be capable of mass vaccination programs. __________________

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Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	It could be corporate PR Lots of people don't want to be associated with Operation Warp Speed because of fears that vaccine development will be rushed. Of course that also means alienating the Trump base, but maybe Pzifer decided that audience overlaps too much with the antivaxx crowd, anyway. // __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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cyberdemon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Trump is probably banking on “curing COVID” as an achievement should he run again for president in 2024. He loses that if there is no vaccine available before he leaves office. He’s already complained that they held back the announcement until after the election to hurt his chances despite the fact this isn’t his achievement as they are independent of the government in their research. __________________ Last edited by cyberdemon; 2020-11-09 at 21:41.

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EroKing Version Zero Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Discord - Ero#2164 Age: 35	YouTube https://youtu.be/ebw1DlaY0yE Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? A long but a highly informative video with updated knowledge about the virus. - He talks about how difficult it will be in real life conditions to get the vaccine out to most parts of the world, how the vaccine won't be some magic bullet that will give you 100% protection. - How masks will still be needed for years and years to come. - The need for booster vaccines and the importance of finding the right dosage which could be effective for years. - The cost factor of the vaccines depending on the nation. - How difficult it might be to get adults vaccinated unlike kids. - Doesn't expect to have enough doses to vaccinate the world till at least 2023 or even 2024. The importance of masks, social distancing and possibility of re-infection. - Briefly touches on the subject of mutation with the cases of minks spreading the virus in Denmark and parts of Netherlands. - Possibility of the vaccine being used as a political tool to bully small, weaker or desperate countries for solutions into deals for future leverage. - Underfunding or momentary freezing of other programs of other serious diseases due to Covid-19. - Sending the message of that we're really not safe and that we need to recommit to a global response for the virus. Getting used to living with masks and social distancing and that returning to any kind of normalcy pre-Covid will take years and in bits, not all at once. The need to talk about the risks and benefits truthfully and honesty being the way to make people believe that we are sincere. __________________

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cyberdemon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	The human body is resourceful. It will eventually adapt and learn to resist COVID. However that will take many years and multiple exposures. If anti Vaxxers would just get over themselves, it could eventually be eliminated but that is unlikely to ever happen __________________

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EroKing Version Zero Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Discord - Ero#2164 Age: 35	Some positive news for a change. Moderna: Covid vaccine shows nearly 95% protection __________________

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cyberdemon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Of course Trump is trying to hammer home that the modern a vaccine was done under his watch. I will admit that this was done under operation warp speed unlike Pfizer but you would think trump was the one who created it __________________