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Old 2020-08-16, 14:22   Link #1
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Japan top studios combine to plans to create a "youtube channel for anime"

as the tittle says:
https://comicbook.com/anime/news/dra...s-anime-manga/
https://thebrag.com/japan-free-anime-youtube-channel/

it's seens to "combat" the piracy, japanese studios are going to create a youtube channel to place all or most of they animes for youtubers to watch "for free"( ofcourse they will gain over the marketing in youtube).

This is really a great news and if they are smart too they can use it to get free from "western censorship from places like funimation and crunchyroll and others.

Which is another thing which i feel japan is being "dumb", if they were "smart" they could release themselfs they own "plataform" of stream" and just hire good translators from japanese to others languages, they could gain more cache" then have the annoying stuffs like funimation" try to "boss" them, that could be a perfect test for it, to have japan release they own plataforms and get riddle of those crap services while providing they own services and don't have to care about "being censured" by that annoying peoples", really don't understand why they not already did it before.
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Old 2020-08-17, 04:10   Link #2
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It's not really dumb, but more like they are not used to technology, this might sound weird to people, but yes, Japanese is not used to tech as many thinks, take the whole covid issues, Japan was having issues during the lockdown phase actually because the majority of the companies wasn't able to turn their work into remote working. And this cause a lot of issue along the way. Most companies in japan still operate in some very manual way.
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Old 2020-08-17, 13:50   Link #3
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It's not really dumb, but more like they are not used to technology, this might sound weird to people, but yes, Japanese is not used to tech as many thinks, take the whole covid issues, Japan was having issues during the lockdown phase actually because the majority of the companies wasn't able to turn their work into remote working. And this cause a lot of issue along the way. Most companies in japan still operate in some very manual way.
very sad, but as i told it could be really the "turn point" for japan, because it could help fix or at last reduce the effect of the current 3 issues japan anime/manga/novels are suffering

1 - piracy: having they own stream service with a "free support" like crunchroll, besides youtube channel, they could go somethng like that, all old animes place in both, then "new ones" airing first at the stream service then after it finished and a new season come or with a delay of another season they place that "new old anime" in youtube, having 2 places to get money, and having the stream as the primary source and youtube as secondary.

2 - not have to share they gains with others companies like crunchroll and funimation and others giving to let's say govern and studios all the money (in case government get inside and help fund the plataform)

3 - most important the "censorship control comming from those places, they will stop to have "anything to say" about what anime to be made and while they can still get "some animes", they will get the ones they want" while japan main stream will have all and gonna be able to make whatever anime they want without giving a shit toward the annoying puritans and control from those places, trying to "rule" on whatever anime they must make.

they can still give animes for others companies what gonna changes is which they will be the ones in full control about what anime will be made not chine, usa, or tencent or warner media or whatever peoples trying to "boss around", they will lose this power and the only "censorship would be the "country itself where they are trying to localize.

having a youtube channel and a stream service is a win win for japan and a "middle finger" in the face of the companies trying to "boss around they stuffs", it could be the perfect answer for that.
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Old 2020-08-17, 14:43   Link #4
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Japan was having issues during the lockdown phase actually because the majority of the companies wasn't able to turn their work into remote working.
Many Japanese households don't own PCs. They rely on their smartphones. That left many ill-equipped to work from home.

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Many Japanese lack the basic tools needed to work from home. Contrary to the ultramodern image of Japan Inc. with its robots, design finesse and gadgetry galore, in many respects the country is technologically challenged.

But the bigger obstacle is Japanese corporate culture, experts say. Offices still often rely on faxes instead of email. Many homes lack high-speed internet connections, and documents often must be stamped in-person with carved seals called “hanko,” which serve as signatures. So many Japanese really cannot work remotely, at least not all the time.
https://apnews.com/7a18fb5740f90712195205dd461253c8

Then there are non-technological factors:

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One factor, says Yuri Tazawa, a pioneer in Japan of “teleworking,” or working from home, is that Japanese workers often do not have clearly defined jobs like Americans do, so companies expect their staff to be in constant communication with each other, working as teams.
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Old 2020-08-18, 18:33   Link #5
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Good. The VAs from Funimation are really starting to get really full of themselves and it's getting worse and worse. If they can cut out the middle man, that'll just make everything more accessible to everyone.
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Old 2020-08-18, 18:45   Link #6
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I'd ask why they move to YouTube with all the censorship that ensures instead of just having their own platform, but then I remember that Toei already tried this. It was called Daisuki and sucked so bad, I wouldn't have even watched on there if they paid me. Some videos didn't load at all and the ones that did stuttered and stopped playing randomly.

But at the very least they could have used some of the alternatives that aren't too strong on censorship, like bitchute or lbry. Heck, they could just host their own PeerTube instance. That way they could host everything themselves and don't have to worry about making it not suck. Or even better, do all of those.
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Old 2020-08-19, 00:15   Link #7
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Many Japanese households don't own PCs.
Why would they? It's the only device that's been improved about a million times over the last century into the most important tool humanity has ever created. If not the most important, definitely the most complex in relation with it's price, which is virtually next to nothing. It's probably just sloth at it's best: oh, it's big and heavy and my hands hurt... wut? I have to install cables too? But on my phone I just press a button! My answer to that would be: I hope you won't be surprized when you'll find your phone also having a cable, without which, it doesn't work for long. -_-'

This thing has reminded me of the movie The Imitation Game about the eccentric, gay but lovable to those who understand his mind, true inventor of the computer Alan Turing! During WWII while some MF-ers developed in USA a revolutionary way to instant kill towns of people at once, others in England developed a way to decipher ultrahigh level enigmas to shorten a war that killed dozens of millions of people, a way of computing for the very 1st time! The scene where the fucker Tywin enters his room to fire him for spending 2 years working day and night to possibly the most revolutionary concept humanity has ever dared, pushing him to tears, while his coworkers stand by him for the 1st time despite hating him, but finally getting a glimpse on this man's atrocious potential, speaks volumes! Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine. Alan Turing, I can never thank you enough! Your sacrifice will get the roar it deserves!

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censorship
I'm not one for violence, but whoever stands by this word should be shot on sight.
I have all the sympathy and consideration in the world for retards, but not for voluntary ones.
I've read the other day that in some parts of the world, public breastfeeding mothers are being stigmatized. What should they do? Buy a sari and put it on their heads and upper body when they breastfeed!? Incredible, just incredible! Voluntary retards at their best.

My philosophy and I gather all the healthy people's is: if you don't like to look at something, you have just 2 decent options: you can look at something else, or you can go fuck yourself. You can never censor, unless you're a voluntary retard.

@This thread is good news! Me likey.
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Old 2020-08-19, 13:02   Link #8
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Good. The VAs from Funimation are really starting to get really full of themselves and it's getting worse and worse. If they can cut out the middle man, that'll just make everything more accessible to everyone.
yeah tFunimation is become another "trash twitter" place full of hatefull peoples which think they can "boss around everyone" just because they somehow have the "monopoly(not totally but great part)" over the dub and sub animaton for western and are not only try to decide what anime to be made but also change dialoguess to be more "PC" friendly and others nasty stuffs, i would really love to see the get a kick in they ass** from japan.

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I'd ask why they move to YouTube with all the censorship that ensures instead of just having their own platform, but then I remember that Toei already tried this. It was called Daisuki and sucked so bad, I wouldn't have even watched on there if they paid me. Some videos didn't load at all and the ones that did stuttered and stopped playing randomly.

But at the very least they could have used some of the alternatives that aren't too strong on censorship, like bitchute or lbry. Heck, they could just host their own PeerTube instance. That way they could host everything themselves and don't have to worry about making it not suck. Or even better, do all of those.
well for what i read they gonna start with more "family friendly" animes and the "more wild ones' not gonna be added for now until they can proper grasp youtube rules.

However for what i read a few months ago, while youtube for now is very censored, they are actually thinking in add a "more mature" brand, because they are seeying how "strong is the "porn market too, like all the "big adult sites" like youporn, make almost as much as youtube make, then they are currently studing a way to add "adult content" to youtube, but with now with the strong wave of censorship around western maybe they decided to put it on "hiatos" for a long time.

well the problem is which it was only toei and in a bad time and using a really bad service, if all the anime studios band together and maybe also ask some help from the government they can get enough funds to create a strong and stable service to host all the animes and with that start to get enough money.

and about japan not too "pc" friendly by pc i means computer" not the politcal corrects lol, well indeed is a really weird issue, because more and more computers are become almost mandatory to have, not just they "isekai smarthphones" , they are indeed a lot behind and while indeed the cel phones are become more strong and adictive you still need a "strong pc" to build all the programs to run in the "cel phones".

Again this is the perfect time for japan to if not to full take care of all they current issues at last will mitigate a lot of it, by not having to "work only" with the "blue checkers" and "bosses" and do whatever they want, it can be a big step in the right direction, then later the next step would be do something about "games", which would be stop to also to be too dependant of "sony" to release they games.
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Old 2020-08-20, 00:28   Link #9
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I'd ask why they move to YouTube with all the censorship that ensures instead of just having their own platform, but then I remember that Toei already tried this. It was called Daisuki and sucked so bad, I wouldn't have even watched on there if they paid me. Some videos didn't load at all and the ones that did stuttered and stopped playing randomly.

But at the very least they could have used some of the alternatives that aren't too strong on censorship, like bitchute or lbry. Heck, they could just host their own PeerTube instance. That way they could host everything themselves and don't have to worry about making it not suck. Or even better, do all of those.
Looking at Muse Asia and Ani-One's youtube repertoire, they can pretty much get away with almost anything that isn't on the level of Ishizoku Reviewer or Queens Blade.
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Old 2020-08-20, 09:00   Link #10
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I actually do agree a lot with the sentiments that they shouldn't use a platform like youtube though, their coalition should be more than enough to create their own platform, It also generate way better counts and revenue.

I don't think Japan can really transition right now with the whole COVID flare up again, but as much as I want it change, most big companies are still run by those from previous generations which isn't really familiar with it, they done work on it, but not really understand how much latest generation PC are actually capable of. The fact that most still use faxes is proof enough how this issues persist in current days.
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Old 2020-08-20, 09:24   Link #11
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First, I'll believe it when I see it. yes, I get that Japan is sloooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwllllllllyyyyyy moving into the digital age with streaming, but the physical merchandise-exclusive stuff is still a big hit.

Plus, to sink some holes into this: all the news sources and the bit of research I've done has EVERYTHING turning up super-sketchy. The fact that no well-known anime sources (not even Kotaku, of all places...) is covering this news means either there's a ton going on still in the development phase- which makes sense, considering how many companies are involved- or that this is all total BS to get peoples's hopes up after certain other sites got knocked down. While the first option is plausible, my bet's on the latter.

Basically, this might be nice news, but don't get your hopes up until there's actual official word, since this is supposed to be something official.
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Old 2020-08-21, 02:03   Link #12
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This service is not to give the "middle finger" to intermediaries like Funimation, etc. contrary to what some are saying. It's because companies like Toei/Tezuka/etc. have a lot of old/obscure stuff that doesn't really sell well (companies like Funimation, Crunchyroll, etc. won't pay to license), so they are trying to have an official place to host it where they can get at least some revenue, rather than the only place it being accessible is piracy.

The official press release even states outright that their goal is to "operate as a safe channel that families can enjoy together." That's the kind of channel they're trying to curate here -- not an "uncensored paradise" free from the "evils" of localization. (The translations they use will probably be the same localized dubs/subs from the past anyway, whenever they exist.)

It's extremely questionable to me how some people on this forum seem to take every single benign-as-sin piece of news (Toei is trying once again to distribute their backcatalog of largely-unwanted old shows) and use it as another opportunity to get on their soapbox about utterly unrelated issues (just like certain clickbait websites and Youtube channels). Please stop.
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Old 2020-08-21, 05:48   Link #13
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Youtube censorship doesn't just affect what people usually expect when conjuring a mental image upon hearing "censorship" and "videos". Toei owns Dragon Ball, which you can classify as something "safe" that "families can enjoy", but it's also a show that shows the penis of child Goku, which I'm not sure YouTube would be okay with. Also, there are scenes in Dragon Ball that show nipples of Bulma - which obviously was censored back in the days for the international release - since "safe for families" in Japan means something very different than it means in the USA. Just like they censored the wish the pig guy made from the dragon: panties from a girl. At least in my country they changed the wish to "a hat with two holes for the ears".

As a pirate you can get this uncensored, so going the YouTube route obviously will raise eyebrows among fans that are aware of these issues.

On the other hand, Toei has already proven themselves to not care for their fans at all. Just a few weeks ago I explained to a friend who was excited to finally watch Dragon Ball Kai that he shouldn't bother, since it's just a censored (blood got removed) version of Dragon Ball Z, where they cut off the top and bottom part to make it 16:9 and omitted some episodes as opposed to his expectation of having gone back to the original cells to create a 16:9 version that isn't just cropped and skilfully editing out the filler stuff within the episodes. I recommended him to watch Dragon Ball Z Abridged on YouTube, which did exactly that.


On the surface this moves looks exciting, but when you look closer it's really nothing but a disappointment. Piracy is a service problem, not a money one. Why would I watch something worse if I could just watch a better version?
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Also, regarding legit streaming sources outside of YouTube, remember that there were attempts to make one, but they went under. At the moment, Muse Asia and Ani-One are faring well within their region, and I hope it gains momentum while avoiding the problems associated with hosting content there.
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Am I wrong in thinking the target for this channel is Japanese viewers? If so, I assume it would conform to the censorship standards of over-the-air TV in Japan. Why is that upsetting? Did Japanese kids watching Dragon Ball on broadcast television see Goku's penis or Bulma's nipples? If not, was this a big controversy in Japan? Will this new service even be available outside Japan?
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Attitudes in Japan concerning what is allowed on TV have somewhat changed over the past 30 years, which is why Toei created Kai (a censored version of Z) in the first place, I think.

There's really no good reason to conform to censorship standards of TV, when you're using an entirely different platform. Think Animator Expo Project, which streamed the episodes on their own site and had various episodes ranging from family friendly to ME!ME!ME!. It also pulled off a family friendly episode that had a shrunk girl running around naked, with her pubic hair in full view, which I watched with my family who liked it. (I refrained from showing them ME!ME!ME!)
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The official press release even states outright that their goal is to "operate as a safe channel that families can enjoy together."
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There's really no good reason to conform to censorship standards of TV, when you're using an entirely different platform.
What you think about this is irrelevant and should be. Especially when the criticism often seems to revolve around absurd issues like whether you can see nipples or not. Really, who cares?
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It's actually nice for the younger generations to be able to watch what ppl who watched anime back in the 70s-onward. Stuff like "Princess Sarah", "Katri, Girl of the Meadows", "Ribon no Kishi". Sometimes, one anime fan is fed up with the current offerings and want to go back in time, without relying on torrents that barely have seeds.
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It's extremely questionable to me how some people on this forum seem to take every single benign-as-sin piece of news (Toei is trying once again to distribute their backcatalog of largely-unwanted old shows) and use it as another opportunity to get on their soapbox about utterly unrelated issues (just like certain clickbait websites and Youtube channels). Please stop.
I wholeheartedly concur. I was actually arsed enough to want to make a post about this news, only to find a certain person had already beaten me to it and decide to turn it into yet another mind numbingly stupid conversation about censorship when it has literally nothing to do with it and is clearly designed to be a family friendly channel. I think there's only one person in this forum that would be deluded enough to think otherwise but in case there's anymore paying attention, I'll say this once: YouTube is not an online platform any company would go towards if they want less content restrictions.

Now for anybody who is actually interested, here's a link to the channel (because funnily enough nobody's actually posted a link yet: The "news" articles posted don't link to it either).

You won't be able to see anything yet unless you live in Japan or you have access to a VPN service. (And in case anybody's wondering, I can at least confirm that NordVPN has Japanese servers.)
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What you think about this is irrelevant and should be. Especially when the criticism often seems to revolve around absurd issues like whether you can see nipples or not. Really, who cares?
The whole thing is framed as an attempt to combat piracy and I'm explaining why they'll have trouble achieving this goal. I care about censorship and won't watch a censored version, when I could easily watch an uncensored one.
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