2008-07-30, 10:00 | Link #3101 | |
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I came up with a solution to the Hayate shafting while I was working with Kagerou and I thought I'd share it.
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2008-07-30, 10:10 | Link #3102 |
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*looks at more high-res scan of StrikerS CD*
WhatwhatwhatwhatWHATWHATWHAT!?!?!? Oi Scarface! My character was first!! lulz (And Caro with long hair is: ) Anyway... here is my "Movie Version" Elric Spoiler for Elric Thron in Movie Barrier Jacket:
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2008-07-30, 10:22 | Link #3103 | ||||
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Thanks for the reminder Kha. Quite the drama-queen side of Lumina. Nicely brought out here. (^^b) Quote:
Haven decide how the events would occur, or to connect them together..frankly the difficulty in deciding how to approach writing is probably the greatest roadblock I encounter frequently. Though it doesn't help I'm busy with work most of the time. Quote:
I'm liking the direction you have taken for Elric's (eventual) downward path. Simple and effective. Quote:
That sounds awesomely epic straight off the bat. >=3
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2008-07-30, 10:38 | Link #3104 | |||
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That said, this isn't super-magic; there are factors that must be in place. For starters, the body must be whole - there can't be any missing vital organs or body parts. Secondly, the nature of the death must be put into consideration; if you die from old age, rez is impossible; death by a gunshot wound, then yes, it's possible. Finally, consider that this is essentially her "Limit Break" spell. As such, it requires a shitload of mana to cast; think of it as using 105% of her mana. And you're right; after using this spell she's out of commission for a while, thus it's only used in the most dire of circumstances where a certain person dying is simply not an option. tl;dr: If they can bring Zest back then dammnit I can make someone who can rez Indeed. Hence why I'm getting the help of members across the thread.
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2008-07-30, 10:44 | Link #3105 | |||
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@Kyral: That's called Synchro. Like how Erio almost completely matched Kha when he was a kid.
I swear I saw Amelia, Gourry, and Lina there. Half expected someone from TSAB show up and say "I'm Inspector Wiser Flayon of Ruvingald. ". Quote:
As for whether there's permanent damage, revival after 6hrs should show something brain damage. No idea if Midchilda medicine can reverse that. Technically, the skies the limit here; The limits I place here and there are roughly based off injecting the dream tools that a medical practitioner drools about into a magical realm to push the limits of human survival to the max; with proper justification, it should work. Quote:
...Movie Version?! Maybe I should get one. Elder!Erio's been released after all, though he's half obscured by Caro. Quote:
But I don't see why she can't attempt to do something about it, like Shiro training with Saber in Fate/Stay Night. His result was still LOL-worthy, but it did cover for some areas.
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2008-07-30, 10:54 | Link #3106 | |
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Nanoha's melee 'mastery' isn't so great as you make it out to be. If all she did was watching her brother and sister train, then Hayate can catch up to her level pretty quick (Nanoha has enough skill to hold her ground against melee oponents, but not to defeat them in melee). For Hayate, simply having her train in it should work. Nobody questioned how a nine-year-old Fate could be an expert melee-combatant, I don't see why Hayate should. |
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2008-07-30, 10:59 | Link #3107 | ||
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I'd also like to point out that if you're going to rez someone who's dead of a bullet wound, Rena-chan's still gonna need to take the bullet out or she'll just heal the person... at which point said person will die all over again from the bullet that's still in them. (Unless it's a HE/API bullet, or DU, where the bullet disintergrates into a flaming shotgun shell-like effect. With DU, the effect is a flaming shotgun shell from hell.) Though obviously that'd be a job for Val Kozlov, ace battlefield medic, crack shot, Nebraska Farmgirl and mother of seven daughters. XD *Memo to self: write more Veri/Val for TF6*
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2008-07-30, 11:34 | Link #3108 | ||
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With a UD, things change indeed. Quote:
Still, the most I can give Hayate more weapon skill; Fate can, and maybe Nanoha was born with fast reflexes and so could get by; but Hayate, can she track the really fast changes that close in order to really excel at H2H range? (DISCLAIMER: This line of thought has been heavily influenced by Tau fluff about why they can't melee. )
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2008-07-30, 11:36 | Link #3109 |
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ok, stupid question...
But where does Yuuno's supposed Super defence comes from? Yes, we see him Surviving against vita all of two minutes. Do keep in mind though that Vita at that time didn't even use "Deadly Punishment", much less a cartridge. I do beleive that yuuno specialise in defence. But not that he is any stronger than Nanoha in it (in fact, he is probably weaker than her), as she did manage two round shields at once, and her "injuries" came from lack of control in body-enhancing spell without her BJ (remember, she did destroy the rough with her foot's pressure). Yuuno, i think, fights the way he does because his control is extremely high. His binds and spells are either linked to him or "static" like barriers, spells that he probably ask for more control than power. Frankly, i don't think that yuuno *could* use much more than basi attack spell that wee see mook enforcer use against precia. I'll put Yuuno as, in power, C rank, and in Effectiveness, A rank. But maybe i am wrong and i missed something. I have a few questions more to ask later on, as i am bitten by the Negima/Nanoha plot bunny too :XD Edit: Nanoha Canonicly is bad at sport. she proably is better in Traingle heart's Original Universe, but she never got training i think yet in MGLN, and is shown as being "Bad" in A's manga. Last edited by Arkeus; 2008-07-30 at 11:38. Reason: Wants to respond to another post |
2008-07-30, 11:49 | Link #3110 | |
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Thus comes the challenge for Hayate's change into a melee-oriented magus/knight imho. She will need to be at least achieve a suitable level of physical fitness and that will need time, especially if you consider how long she has been straddled to that wheelchair. It's not impossible but it is going to be tough for the first couple of years for her. She will need to undergo physical conditioning first to get her into shape, and then a continuous, un-interrupted training schedule to build up and maintain her physical strength and endurance. My 2 cents
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2008-07-30, 12:04 | Link #3111 | |
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For magical means, however, this is essentially difficult to achieve. I'm not sure how Kagerou decides to pull this (I was thinking battle medic scene), but anywhere out of the ICU or surgery room with only a single magical healer around is pretty much pushing the boundary of the said limitations. The healer may have the necessary power (we'll assume it works like a defibrillator/drug injector/stimulator, etc.), but without supporting devices (feeding tubes, pacemakers, mechanical respirator, etc.), he should not be able to resurrect a person, only extend the Golden Hour before the point of no return. The widely acceptable (and less ambiguous) medical condition for death at present is brain death -- cessation of brain activities for extended periods of time. Regardless of the Golden Hour, a dead person should stay dead and not be resurrected. For Zest's case, we're assuming that he had been sent to the grave and was brain-dead before he was literally resurrected (as opposed to extension of Golden Hour). However, Cinque, who happened to critically injure him, might have taken him quickly to a preservation unit before he was "brought back to life" via Jail's manipulation. Of course, even the doctor seemed to fail to restore full functions, and Zest's body suffered degeneration soonafter. These two seem similar, but it's really different, and that makes all the difference. P/S: In case anyone doesn't understand what I'm rambling about, I'm contending between "literal resurrection" (such as magic and necromancy) and "technical resurrection" (such as thawing a cold-preserved person). |
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...except in terms of chest size. DFC is ALWAYS WIN!!!! ...stab with a fireball? Just be glad you didn't put Evangeline on that chart of I would have used my Evangelion's FOOT instead Quote:
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2008-07-30, 16:35 | Link #3113 |
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Just to further address Comartemis' issue about super charged melee proficiency...
you also have to consider that in certain circumstances, too much mana could destabilise the spells, or, possibly, cause harmful effects through them For example, an overcharged reinforcement spell might not only lead to movements being uncontrollable due to too much power, it could also cause self-inflicted injuries because the user's body cannot take the strain, even with the spell's reinforcement ( that is, strength boost=/=toughness/endurance boost.) Much as Berserkers had hysterical strength, but could also suffer ruined muscles, shattered bones and damaged tendons and ligaments because the power they were exerting was more than their bodies could withstand. This could also be an issue with other kinds of spells too. I examined this with my own character, and eventually decided that for his spells he would have to use limiter Control Devices to prevent him using too much power and causing harmful effects, such as: Healing spells that are overcharged can cause Cancerous growth or autoimmune disorders. They can also cause bones to fuse improperly Enhancement spells that can cause self inflicted physical strain injuries. Damage to muscles or nerves caused by over saturation with mana. possibly even simulated mana burn injuries Also, clumsiness caused by an inability to control the increased strength or adapt to reduced reaction times, leading to lack of coordination (also, becoming an Easy Target problems too). Malnutrition and vitamin/mineral deficiencies caused by spells redirecting nutrients away from body maintenance for regeneration healing or muscle enhancement Shields and barriers that are too enclosing, and not only stop attacks, but also other effects, leading for example to them becoming opaque because they stop all light, leaving the user blindsided, or suffocation because the barrier prevents movement of air. Attack spells whose recoil is potentially so strong as to be harmful; also, overpenetration issues, though certain Character's (they know who they are...) might not particularly take issue with this... So, It is possible that if you choose to follow this kind of model that Too much power could in certain circumstances be even worse than not enough... |
2008-07-30, 16:40 | Link #3114 | |
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I beleive overcharging spells that effect someone is a *very* bad thing. Hell, one part of the proble mwith the "blaster" system is that it puts too much magical energy in Nanoha, which destroy her. I believe that any kind of spell will at least "overflow" iif you put too much strength behind it (the spell is not made to endure that much power, so magic is leaking into the user/target's body). If the user/targer already is the beneficiary to a mass heal/reinforcement it wouldn't surprise me that the excess magical energy goes straight to erode the mage life expectancy. Not Good. |
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2008-07-30, 16:47 | Link #3115 | ||
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Nine year old, Kha. Nine. Realism took a hike then, why can't it for Hayate? Quote:
No canon proof of this. In fact, shield strength tends to be unoticable by appearance alone. |
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2008-07-30, 16:51 | Link #3116 | |
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How do you explain !zest's problem with his "full drive", if it's not that his new body is not solid enough to withstand the additional magic leaking from the spell? |
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2008-07-30, 16:58 | Link #3118 |
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Keroko: It is you who is trying to do a Negima/Nanoha cross with an OC named Keroko, right?
If so, could you explain what you are planing to do as so far as you have already told others here? Too lazy to browse through all of your post I am saying that because i just got bitten by the Negima/nanoha bug, and i have quite a few idea about it, so i'd like to talk about it to someone else |
2008-07-30, 17:00 | Link #3119 |
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From what I understood 'boost'-type spells, they are designed to augment the person's abilities (strength, speed, etc) and probably protect them against some strain but the human body does have its limits. Even with the protection of the spell, there's going to be a limit to which attributes can be augmented until there is harm done to the person.
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2008-07-30, 17:04 | Link #3120 | |
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