2012-11-13, 07:26 | Link #441 |
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Anyway, I apologize if some of the things I said sound a little extreme. I'm not taking it back. You could say I'm a bit of a justice maniac and can't stand it when people for whatever reason treat others unfairly. Which, I hope, most people will consider a thing that actually happened here.
Not understanding the cultural difference here probably helps. In the west, guys are usually are found guilty if a girl so much as implies the possibility of rape, and no defense will be able to help them. At least, that's an impression I get from the world around me. |
2012-11-13, 08:12 | Link #442 |
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^ I think you just have difficulty with empathizing with the psychology state of people in situations you've never experienced yourself. That's why I don't bother debating with you on this anymore. Since you'll never get it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a personal attack against you (I have friends like this too); just saying that you belong to a minority portion of the world population. That's why most of us can't see eye to eye with you. We should really forget about this and move on.
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2012-11-13, 10:18 | Link #443 | |
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if you asked anyone who a rape victim should direct the hatred at either the rapist or the person they begged to introduce them it would be quite clear, and for the others plz dont bring out another scientific survey or what not that they do for everything these days, i remember seeing a report of why an apple a day is bad for your teeth...its a damn joke
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2012-11-13, 11:24 | Link #445 | |
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2012-11-13, 16:41 | Link #447 | |
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2012-11-13, 20:18 | Link #448 | ||
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It's not misdirected for them to include Himiko in that wish imo. Quote:
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2012-11-13, 20:57 | Link #449 |
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But what is the exact bad thing she did that makes her deserve that according to you?
It's one thing to be understanding about the confusion of the girls and their need to lash out, but another to claim the Himiko somehow deserve her fate. |
2012-11-14, 00:33 | Link #454 | |
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But the question is if that is why you think she deservs her fate or if you think she does so even if she called the police? |
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2012-11-14, 02:16 | Link #455 | ||
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In any case, what you seem to be saying is that Himiko is at least as deserving of blame as the rapists. Which is very strange indeed. And having said something like that, I think you ought to give a straight answer. How is it not misdirected for her friends to blame her? I can see how they would get bitter and twisted and come to that conclusion, but I don't see why you would agree with them that it was correct to do so. The problem Miho and the others faced was the rape, for which the rapists are directly to blame. Himiko didn't rape those girls, didn't know the band were dangerous, and narrowly escaped being raped herself. Quote:
It depends a bit on where you are, mind. Adversarial legal systems are inferior to inquisitorial legal systems when it comes to rape trials, because in inquisitorial systems, the focus is on finding out the truth rather than pitting the prosecution and the defence against each other. Adversarial systems can all too quickly descend into effectively putting the victim on trial. That's why some countries with adversarial legal systems are/have been considering putting in place specific inquisitorial systems just for rape trials. Last edited by GoldenLand; 2012-11-14 at 03:30. Reason: grammar |
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2012-11-14, 10:09 | Link #457 | |
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She knew at least one of those guys. That was one of the reasons the girls got to the party in the first place. So it was suppose to be safe. Not a party in which the girls get beat up, drugged and filmed being raped. And...Himiko was the armed one so if she was there then they could have thought they would not have gotten raped. Lives were ruined over a party. We don't even know how the parents faired at work over this. (We won't ever because we don't live in Japan.) A lot of anger is going to be directed to the other person who got them into this mess which is Himiko. You guys really need to let go and move on.
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