High School DxD Light Novel Feats Resource/Discussion thread

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by Hk1117

I don't deny his victory, just the fact that he needed a crack in the wall made for him to be able to break it down. He's still too weak. Far too weak. y'all be giving him way too much cred.

He went from a below average human to Ultimate-Class strength in 9 months. If that's not powering-up at neck-breaking speed I don't know what is.

[Hk1117]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

He went from a below average human to Ultimate-Class strength in 9 months. If that's not powering-up at neck-breaking speed I don't know what is.

he's not growing strong at the speeds you're all giving him credit for. More than half the time, he's needed holes made by everyone else to beat the bad guy or win the fight. Leave him to his own devices against a strong opponent, and 8/10 times he'll fall.

[B214]

Originally Posted by Hk1117

he's not growing strong at the speeds you're all giving him credit for. More than half the time, he's needed holes made by everyone else to beat the bad guy or win the fight. Leave him to his own devices against a strong opponent, and 8/10 times he'll fall.

Well DxD's fight are mostly team base than individual base. Plus having friends to alongside is much better than it being like Dragon Ball where Issei takes all the spotlight while the others must wait for him to rescue them.

[Hk1117]

Originally Posted by B214

Well DxD's fight are mostly team base than individual base. Plus having friends to alongside is much better than it being like Dragon Ball where Issei takes all the spotlight while the others must wait for him to rescue them.

that's cool and all, but it's starting to close in on Fairy Tail levels of nakama asspulls.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by Hk1117

that's cool and all, but it's starting to close in on Fairy Tail levels of nakama asspulls.

There's still a looooong way until it gets that bad.

If sometime in the future Ise beats a villain because he's Ise I'll flip some tables. lol

[Hk1117]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

There's still a looooong way until it gets that bad.

If sometime in the future Ise beats a villain because he's Ise I'll flip some tables. lol

I have a few ready for the occasion. we'll flip 'em together lol.

[B214]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

There's still a looooong way until it gets that bad.

If sometime in the future Ise beats a villain because he's Ise I'll flip some tables. lol

The only reason Ise can have to beat a villain is only one thing that is OPPAI! Don't get that wrong.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by B214

The only reason Ise can have to beat a villain is only one thing that is OPPAI! Don't get that wrong.

I know. I only used the 2nd worst moment in all of FT manga as a joke/comparison.

Spoiler for FT manga:

Erza actually beats a villain because she's Erza. That's the explanation Hiro gave us. Worse than that only Natsu one-shotting Blue Note.

@EDIT: I just remembered, Ise already managed to beat a Maou-Class opponent with a (less effective) Boosted Gear. So that would mean that if we count skill as "strength" he actually could defeat someone like Serafall.

[B214]

For me, i'd say that is because of the surprise factor. Euclid was only prepared for the white Wyvern, therefore is caught offguard by the red Wyvern, plus the Longinus Smasher only hit Euclid because Rossweisse restrained Euclid.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

I know. I only used the 2nd worst moment in all of FT manga as a joke/comparison.

Spoiler for FT manga:

Erza actually beats a villain because she's Erza. That's the explanation Hiro gave us. Worse than that only Natsu one-shotting Blue Note.

@EDIT: I just remembered, Ise already managed to beat a Maou-Class opponent with a (less effective) Boosted Gear. So that would mean that if we count skill as "strength" he actually could defeat someone like Serafall.

FT just had a pretty retarded moment IMO in the last chapter. Issei pretty much already has beaten opponents because "he's Issei" He smacked the hell out of Kokabiel and Vali their first because of "only you" moments. I mean seriously he gets a SS level boost just because Rias says he gets boobage. He then beats vali to the point he was gonna use JD because he was gonna halve Rias's boobs. issei's victories early on bordered on idiocy. Admittedly he's gotten better at it after the fact.

[Biohazardous]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

Sairaorg trained his whole life and is considered the strongest Devil of his generation even without any Demonic Power. Ise managing to fight in even grounds with such a monster after 6 months of training, and beat him when he got hold of a Longinus as well is already an amazing feat in it's own.

Sometimes people forget how long the opponents Ise faces have been around verses the short time he has been a devil. Even a loss to Sairaorg after that long would have been a feat. Sairaorg would still have just about the same level of respect.

I really want to see a fully mastered CCQ. The power will probably be awesome. Maybe Ddraig will make a comment on it for us. Ddraig is perfect to help us get perspective on things.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

FT just had a pretty retarded moment IMO in the last chapter. Issei pretty much already has beaten opponents because "he's Issei" He smacked the hell out of Kokabiel and Vali their first because of "only you" moments. I mean seriously he gets a SS level boost just because Rias says he gets boobage. He then beats vali to the point he was gonna use JD because he was gonna halve Rias's boobs. issei's victories early on bordered on idiocy. Admittedly he's gotten better at it after the fact.

Azazel said Ise wouldn't have beaten Kokabiel doesn't matter how many times he boosted. And if Vali hadn't run away, Ise would have lost completely, he didn't win, he just went up a notch for a certain amount of time for comical relief.

[Archilla]

Okay, so where do we feel comfortable putting Issei in terms of destructive capability with powerscaling? There's some decently divided opinions.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by GDK1

Okay, so where do we feel comfortable putting Issei in terms of destructive capability with powerscaling? There's some decently divided opinions.

Regular Ise, without anyone threatening the his family, probably is Island+ Buster.

If someone threaten his family however... I don't know, he scared the shit out of me in V6. I would say he could even go to Continent Buster, but I'm not too sure about that.

[Archilla]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

Regular Ise, without anyone threatening the his family, probably is Island+ Buster.

If someone threaten his family however... I don't know, he scared the shit out of me in V6. I would say he could even go to Continent Buster, but I'm not too sure about that.

I foresee a Beserk Button being hit in the future. Personally, I see Riz slapping Rias or something. Then we'll see some upward limits.

[Biohazardous]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

Regular Ise, without anyone threatening the his family, probably is Island+ Buster.

If someone threaten his family however... I don't know, he scared the shit out of me in V6. I would say he could even go to Continent Buster, but I'm not too sure about that.

I could agree with base Ise levels. Full out rage Ise...Im talking the kind of rage that wants every ounce of power available within him would be scary. I'd fear him needing that kind of power I'd say it will very very easily take out a continent. Fully mastered and unlock no telling.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

Azazel said Ise wouldn't have beaten Kokabiel doesn't matter how many times he boosted. And if Vali hadn't run away, Ise would have lost completely, he didn't win, he just went up a notch for a certain amount of time for comical relief.

Okay i'll give u that i thought i said something akin to that but hey whatever

[Royalknightftw]

Originally Posted by Parry999

Yeah but we never see kazuya aoi train in it his always using CCQ

Guess he trained it offscreen, besides CCQ is just an improvised version of Triaina
However, if i am not mistaken he sometimes changes his pieces while in CCQ which probably means that he still uses Triaina (indirectly?) in fight, though i am not really sure about that.

[Krudelu]

Originally Posted by GDK1

Okay, so where do we feel comfortable putting Issei in terms of destructive capability with powerscaling? There's some decently divided opinions.

About Crimson Blaster's Destructive capability:

From what I recall correctly, the first time Iseei used Dragon Blaster, he needed to boost (up to 30 times) in order to use Dragon Blaster.

Spoiler for Context from a Novel (Volume 9 Life 4 Part 5):

Energy concentrated in the cannons--
[Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost!!!]
"Disappear! Dragon Blaster!"
BOOOM!!
The shoulder cannons fired releasing an extremely massive blast! Even as I tried my hardest to maintain my footing, I could not stop the impact from the recoil, and it sent my body backwards...! I used all my strength to stop myself from flying away!

He also used the same city busting Dragon Blaster against base Sairaorg but only dealing little damage to base Sairaorg considering that Issei is already going all out in that fight. By the time he used unboosted Crimson Blaster in his CCQ (I don't recall him boosting while he's in his CCQ during that fight) , he's able to do significant damage to BB Sairaorg so it's easy to assume that Crimson Blaster (unboosted)>Dragon blaster

By Volume 11, during his fight against Shalba, he boosted before firing a a Crimson Blaster

Spoiler for Context from a Novel (Volume 11 Life 4 Part 3):

“You are supposed to have received a curse! Why can you move!? Why aren’t you afraid!? Are you telling me you are not afraid of death!?”
Shut up!? Of course I am scared! But it seems like even scarier things will happen if I leave you alive! That’s why I will beat you up first!
[Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost!!]
HIT!HIT! HIT!
Combo of punches and kicks! Getting hit, Shalba falls onto the roof of the hotel!
“Absurd….! I am the real Maou!? I tried to accomplish my vengeance by seeking the help of Hades and humans and dealt with the shame and embarrassment…..! I even went through the experiments of the Hero Factions that made me puke….! But why are the Heavenly Dragons such as you and Vali getting in my way! A mere Dragon who doesn’t even have a huge dream or ideal! Why do you ignore someone like me who is seeking to go even higher!? I can’t understand! I really can’t understand!”
He goes to where the captured Ophis is and asks her.
“Ophis! Ophis! Give me that snake one more time! Then I shall attain the power that is beyond the previous Maou! I need that snake to beat this man!”
“Right now I am unstable. I can’t make the snake-type that increases strength.”
Shalba put on a face of despair after hearing Ophis. I landed in front of him. He looked up at me trembling. I then said it!
“You tried to take away the smiles of the children. That is enough of a reason for you to get beaten up! I! I am the children’s hero who plays the role of Oppai-Dragon! If you are trying to take their future away from them, then I will kill you here!”
I made cannons appear from my wings and started to get ready to fire a blast. A quiet impulse of aura. Enormous power is being charged in the cannon. Shalba released his wings and tried to run away….. I won’t let him get away! Hearing an idiotic ideal like yours, I’m not nice enough to let you get away!
“Blow away! Crimson Blasteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!”
[Fang Blast Booster!!!!]
ZUBAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Enormous amounts of crimson aura were released from the cannons!
“Fuhahahahahaha! Either way you will also die from Samael’s curse! Sekiryuutei!”
A red aura enveloped Shalba who was screaming……

Well it's arguable that he only did that boosts to increase his physical hitting power that time. We know that he boosted 14 times on this on so that a multiplier of 2^14 (x16,384). If we consider that the boost he did also carries over to his Crimson Blaster, we can get this kind of destructive capability.

Dragon Blaster's DC * 2^14
(This is just the low end)

But if we consider that Crimson Blaster's DC(unboosted) > Dragon Blaster, we get:
>Dragon Blaster's DC * 2^14

I know that I don't have an exact value of TnT for Dragon Blaster's DC but at least I can (probably) guess where "Island level" (probably larger than a city or region sze island) DC for Crimson Blaster is coming from since we can easily apply the multiplier to Dragon Blaster's DC to get his max DC for Crimson Blaster he did so far.

For those who are saying that Issei is capable of being a Continent level buster, I think I know where its coming from.

Spoiler for Context from a Novel (Volume 4 Life 5 Part 2):

Yeah. I’ve decided.
“Don’t fuck with meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeee!!”
I’ll kill Vali—. I’ll absolutely kill Vali—!
“You bastard! Buchoooooou’s! So you intend to halve the size of my Buchou’s breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasts!!”
[Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost!!!!!!]
Voices from jewels on various places of my armour repeatedly resounded.
“I won’t forgive you! You’re the one person I absolutely won’t forgive! I’ll knock you down! I’ll destroy you! Valiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!”
[Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost Boost!!!!!!!!!!]
My surroundings flew off! The ground I was standing on was also greatly gouged out and changed into a crater.
The windows of the old school building completely cracked, and the outer wall was collapsing.
My whole body was wrapped in the greatest mass of aura it had ever had.
“Ahahaha! What the heck is that!? Seriously! His dragon power sprang up because his master’s breasts might become smaller!”
Azazel guffawed and burst out laughing.
It isn’t a laughing matter! This really isn’t a laughing matter! For me, it’s more serious than heaven and earth being inverted! Yeah, scramble! This is the greatest possible crisis!
That’s why it’s unforgivable! Halve my Buchou’s breasts? That’s unforgivable! Those breasts are mine! As if I’d let them become small! I still haven’t rubbed them enough! I still haven’t sucked them yet! I still haven’t held them between my fingers yet! (!)
Don’t take away my dreams, you bastaaaaaaaard!
I realised it once again. He and I can never understand each other! I felt my dream to double Buchou’s breasts! Yet he said that this guy will halve Buchou’s breasts!
I thrusted my finger at Vali! The far-off trees in the background were blown away from the force of the aftershock of thrusting that finger.
“Just try to make a move on Rias Gremory! I’ll thoroughly destroy you to the point where you won’t be able to reincarnate agaaaaaaain! You halving maniaaaaaaaaaaaac!!”
The clouds in the night sky were broken apart from my exclamation. The full moon which had been hidden appeared.
“Today is full of surprises. Who would have thought that this much power would explode because of a woman’s breasts. But, it’s interesting!”
The Hakuryuukou flew out at me. —I didn’t feel slow.
Bah! I got away from that spot and kicked Vali in the side as he flew!
“Fast! Have you exceeded me in speed!?”
Like I know! Be surprised as you please! As if I’ll forgive! As if I’ll forgive this guy! If I leave him alone, not only Buchou, but also Akeno-san’s breasts will be halved!
Kuh! Just imagining it makes me shudder! It’s an unforgivable act even for God to halve those fantastic breasts! I caught up with Vali who was moving at the speed of light with no trouble.

The point of the entire context above is the amount of boosts he performed. Him being able to catch up to Vali in speed with those boosts is just a bonus. Anyway:

Look at how many times he boosted that time. This is so far his biggest amount of boost he ever done so far considering it's his longest consecutive boost. By counting how many times he boosted, we can approximately tell that the multiplier he gets is around 2^47. I'm not saying that he's continent buster at that time (volume 4) but if he does this multiplier with his crimson blaster, it can potentially be continent buster (at least medium continent size). Potentially greater.

Now, what does 47 consecutive boosts equates to?

*2^47 = approx. *140,737,488,400,000 = approx. *1.407375e14

So that's about 140 TRILLION MULTIPLIER! DAMN!
This multiplier might be also the reason why a lot of people can easily buy into that lightspeed or FTL(MFTL if greater) Vali nonsense. It's funny how it's meant to be a hyperbole but there's somewhat of an actual backup that can potentially prove that the hyperbole may not be just a hyperbole but for real

Any thoughts on this?

[Chichiryuushintei]

Apparently Ddraig was World+ Buster when he was alive only regarding physical prowess. Crazy shit will happen if Ise and Vali have a final fight after mastering their SGs. And it proves Fenrir was a joke both in the LN and in the anime. HD level my ass.