Dies Irae/Kajiri Kamui Kagura/Paradise Lost/Senshinkan series

[trexalfa]

Yeah, I for one believe the story of the Third Shinza, which is probably our next stop after 0th Shinza is done with after Avesta, will basically deal with NEET's origin story. The huge expansion on Myoujou Hisouten in Saoshyant Desatir, coupled with Masada's Tweet on Snake's underlings, the Gommorah, are heavy hints towards it.

Once we get story about Marie's world, I'm betting plot will be an expansion on Hajun's origins (probably more about his birth's circunstances) and Samsara Vartin, with reincarnations of Dies' cast as main characters if Masada's tweet about characters following Marie is any indication.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Marie's world for sure is about Hajun. His chief priestess is the point woman for his faction after all.

But Snake's origins will be the most interesting. For starters, the stage shifts to Earth or rather, history familiar to us.....How or why did this even come about is already interesting enough.

[trexalfa]

Okay, time for the weekly info dump. Today's issue is lore and, to be honest, we got too little in comparison to earlier weeks. But anyway, as for the glossary we have:

Ashavan and Dragvant:

All living things (yeah, include plants here) are divided into Good and Evil. And the fighters in each side are named Ashavan (Good) and Dragvant (Evil). Eternally vying for supremacy, currently Dragvant is winning the struggle. Basically because the average Dragvant is very much stronger than the average Ashavan. To face them, the Ashavan's elite, the Yazata, are needed and as to be an answer to them is what the Dragvant's elite, the Daeva, are for.

Yazata:

Heroes of the Ashavan, their domain being Wahman Yast. They are great warriors who can perfectly read the Avesta and have received the divine blessing of Vohu Manah, the guardian Star Spirit of Wahman Yast. They are great heroes who are sent through the entire universe to save those in need, answering their cries of help.

Daeva:

The elite of the Dragvant, powerful beings that can perfectly read the Avesta. Even though there are few in numbers, as you would usually find just 1-2 Daeva per planet, their strength usually requires a group of Yazata to take down a single one of their weakest. Wahman Yast has classified Daeva in different classes:

Class Four: Weak Daeva. Requires a group of unseasoned Yazata to take down.

Class Three: Average Daeva. Requires a skilled Yazata to be defeated.

Class Two: Class to which the soldiers of the Demon Kings belong to, they each have power akin to natural disasters/calamities. A group of Yazata might be able to kill one of these while taking loses.

Class One: Class of the Demon Kings' personal aide. Their power is so great that those Yazata that have beaten one in the past can be counted with less than 10 fingers.

Special Class: Quasi-Demon Kings. So far only 4 confirmed in existence by Wahman Yast. They are the successors of the current Demon Kings were they to be defeated.

Seven Great Demon Kings: The core group of the Evil Side, 7 absolute Evils ruling the Dragvant. Even though their power is of trascendent nature, their number is fixed at 7, and it can't ever rise.

Star Spirit Divine Blessing: Blessing Vohu Manah grants to the Yazata of Wahman Yast, signified by a wing-like tatoo showing up somewhere in their bodies. The blessing manifests as one use feathers, their number being proportional to their martial prowess and conquests. The average number of feathers is 5, which is the number Quinn possesses.

As for the feathers, we get info as to what they do:

Boosting attack= Sam.

Boosting defense= Kshatra.

Regeneration= Haoma.

Teleportation= Sewatir.

Flight= Fravard.

However, these are not without their flaws. Using Attack and defense boosting might decrease speed, while Flight and Teleportation might do so with weight, so these are variables to be taken into account. Sewatir is the Yazata's means to move in between planets.

It is possible to combine multiple blessings to create unique techniques with unique effects, but doing so is risky as hell, as it might end up destroying the user. Magsarion though carelessly does this on a regular basis (this hints Alastor is not his Commandment, but simply a custom technique via combination of multiple blessings).

Last bit of info is about the Commandments. Commandments are limitations, whose contents can be defined by their users, that grant massive boons (usually inversions of their limitations) if they are followed through. There are people with multiple Commandments. If you break them, divine punishment falls upon you and you die AT BEST. There are said to be punishments worse than death for breaking a Commandment, but details are unknown (aka this is relevant to the plot).

[shmaster]

I wonder how many people knows about the rule that good and evil will flip whenever a side wins, and then the conflict will reset to start over.
Quinn definitely doesn't know about it, and I assume this is going to haunt her eventually somewhere down the story.

But I assume the Dark Doraemon does, consider he chooses to not destroy his opposition entirely.

[Cosmic Eagle]

So it was only a matter of time before someone lewds Quinn with that kind of Vow.....and it's Masada himself who does it lol


BTW, this kind of settles the question whether people permanently die prior to the Snake's world. Guess he wasn't the first Throne God to have reincarnation or looping.....

[shmaster]

Mithra's reset is more of a rearrangement of power balance and exchanging chess pieces, instead of an actual time loop.

[Cosmic Eagle]

But at least we know people don't die permanently, Hajun style

[shmaster]

I don't think that's what it means though.
At least not in the way same exact people come back to life on a second round.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Probably personality might be completely different. Don't know if the soul is still the same or not though, because wouldn't that mean Mithra's world is actually shrinking over time if it isn't?

[shmaster]

I believe she just produce new chess pieces like Satanel. Who lacks the concept of after life in his world.

[trexalfa]

From how the Pantheon promotional material and Saoshyant Desatir made it sound like, it looked like for some reason, the winning side shifts their alignment and a new opponent appears. Didn't sound like reincarnation or a chair swapping game happening to the same "actors" forever.

But we'll see. Learning of this is what will make Magsarion go over the edge I suppose. After all, Yazata can perfectly read Avesta, but it seems this little tidbit isn't included. Just the info about the victory conditions.

[Cosmic Eagle]

『凶戦士』後編 (first part)

Spoiler:

2 days after the previous events, Quinn regains consciousness, having been rescued by nearby villagers. Same goes for Samrukh. Samrukh had vehemently demanded that her wounds not be treated. Quinn reports back to her superiors and they are now waiting for them to come extract them.

Meanwhile, Magsarion has disappeared. As such only Samrukh is returning. Quinn will stay on to continue her mission of apprehending Magsarion.

Samrukh expresses eny at Magsarion's combat prowess and is bewildered at just how he managed to pull off that Alastor move on the Daeva. Quinn also has no idea but hypothesizes that it might be due to exploiting a bug/loophole in the way Vohu Manah's feathers work.

Sam (ATTK buff) and Kshatra (DEF buff) strengthens material substances. Conceptually speaking, they enlarge and make more massive stuff/effects. It would be like having immense nutritional value in just a single bean enabling one to be fully satiated from just eating it alone. On the other hand, Fravard (Flight) and Sewatir (Teleportation) conceptually shrink, lighten, thin out etc phenomena. This is because in order to not be constrained by physical laws such as weight and distance, they have to render phenomena vague and indistinct. These two groups of buffs are thus conceptually incompatible. When you use Sam and Fravard together, either one of them will have their respective effect enhanced. However one has to account for the overall balance. Basically, it's much more practical to have a cavalry troop than a cannon that's difficult to hit its target with or a light aircraft that's solely capable of only speed.

However, Magsarion used Sam four times in a row followed by Sewatir. If this were all there was to it, the latter would have no utility in this case. However Sewatir is for teleportation. It is a shortcut between distant points that ignores distance. In other words, it is a hole in space. This most likely caused a runaway that allowed the "massive, heavy" entity of his attack to cut down the opponent. Even if the teleportation was cancelled out, it still resulted in massive speed which was more than sufficient here. In this way, Magsarion brought about the coemergence of both attack strength and speed effects whose source buffs normally cancelled each other out. And he apparently did this all from his battle experience.

Kind of complicated at first glance but interesting to see how Vohu Manah's feather combos can work. Very RPG-kei this setting....


BTW, Magsarion is technically Quinn's sibling in a way since his armour is a product of Quinn's father. Like what his moniker of Destruction Workshop suggests, Khvarenah is famous throughout the universe for his products and offspring that end up among both sides. In terms of science, magic, craftsmanship etc, he is unmatched. Indeed, recovery of the artifacts created by him so that they don't fall into enemy hands is one of the Wahman Yasht's missions.

[AkitoW013]

I wonder how does it feels for some yazata that those treasures are, technically and quite literally, garbage from one of their greatest enemies.
Not like being a janitor makes any difference to Magsarion though.

[Ricky365]

Muzan's armor is from forge daddy, is Muzan himself also from forge daddy? or is he a naturally born human?

[AkitoW013]

We don't know (yet), neither Quinn nor Samlukh know his past.

[Ricky365]

Was it ever explained why Seiji from Senshinkan had those diseases?

[Cosmic Eagle]

『凶戦士』後編 cont'd

Spoiler:

Quinn and Samrukh continue talking abouttheir Vows so they can better aid each other. For Samrukh, the max amount of energy she can put into one attack is the same as the total of her wounds. As she has lost her limbs for 7 or 8 times already, 8 is the number of times she can go all out per day. In a battle where she's unharmed, she cannot use her power while minor wounds enbale her to pull off only minor effects. She doesn't know what happens if she exceeds her limit. However, while she's hard to kill because of this, she isn't immortal. Outright fatal wounds or lethal wounds that cannot be healed such as destruction of the head or heart would kill her.

For Quinn, her Avestan ability allows her to serve as the communications node for the Wahman Yasht. By sending her "voice" out into the universe she can communicate with the rest of the Yazata. She can also hear all of them. Their prayers, hopes etc. Vohu Manah has a similar ability but Quinn does most of the communications work.


However an important point crops up that Samrukh noticed which Quinn hoped she hadn't. Quinn broke her Vow when they encountered Magsarion. Why had she suffered no divine retribution as a result? Quinn was reluctant to answer but Samrukh ordered her to. Fortunately, a kid called Laley interrupted and inadvertently ordered her to speak with her instead.

[Ricky365]

Zackzeal was saying something about Quinn finding out the hard way men are d*cks and Magsarion doing something in this chapter?

[AkitoW013]

Just wait if you're not able to read it yourself, it's just him being true to himself.

Spoiler for Spoilers:

He killed all the villagers to deactivate the Daeva's core without warning, the girls were rightfully pissed before knowing the reason.
And we had an indirect confirmation that Magsarion is indeed Muzan at the end.

[Ricky365]

I don't have a problem with him.. i was just wondering what he did. Also what am i supposed to wait for? Do full translation show up on this forum or something? I'm new here btw