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1) You already knew that Sheryl loved Alto. You were trying to prove that Alto loved Sheryl. Without an explicit statement from Alto people will always find a loophole. Even mag seemed to pick up on this one in his earlier post. 2) Canon always a trump card in debates. If you don't like an adaptation, then question if it's canon and *poof* it disappears. Just watch - at least one side of shippers will pull this with the movies as well. 3) This one is actually semi-serious. It's not a question of anyone's integrity (I appreciate the hard work put into this), but it still oughta be double checked for historical reasons. Not that it's all that hard to do. In case you've forgotten, mag, one of theories floating around Shaloom was that he spread misinformation to support his ship - it took time to resolve the resulting stigma regarding arusherri shippers. Are you really willing to take that risk again on behalf of your ship? 4) Take the translated scene. Replace every instance of "Sheryl" with "Ranka". You see what I did there? Ha Ha? *Sigh* I give up. Man this place is scary sometimes. |
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You clearly weren't around during the series, right? Because what you posted as a parody counted as a legit argument for most of the Ranka crowd around here.
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2009-12-18, 18:59 | Link #83 | |
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You can always check and read those "novel impressions" spread around the net, in blogs. japanese blogs of course... Spoiler for three...:
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2009-12-18, 19:17 | Link #84 | |
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AlaAlba, could you elaborate a bit on how exactly they ended the "official part " of the series, with Alto flying in his sky? From whose viewpoint was it written and what was in it? The new implications of that scene on the "higher plane" need some examination, that is for sure. BTW, Tak, you implied that you have the novels, too. If that is the case, could you supply your own impressions on this particular scene? The one on the "higher plane", I mean.
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Not that I couldn't see where you're coming from, but it would do you much more good if you had spread out those points and explained yourself in a rational manner instead of resorting to half-witted troll posts. It not only starts you off on a bad footing, but also encourages a cycle of "YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT" slanted replies that would probably go on forever. If you want a decent discussion, then ensure that your post shows it.
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Well, I am holding you to giving us your own impressions as soon as you have read that scene. I am quite too tired to think about its implications at this moment, but it'd be quite important to have a second opinion of it for an analysis of its import.
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But you're coddling them too much cheesie. You should know full well that there's a dearth of debate in here because of all this barking. If a post can't even be ironic without everyone going into attack mode, then you shouldn't be surprised that people feel too intimidated to post anything at risk of seeming contrary to the "gospel truth" in here. Not that I oughta be surprised at the disparity in the replies: Tak and mag tend to operate more like battering rams, as opposed more devious types like yourself. You know, I've always wondered... if someone like yourself were to try and make a case for Aruran just for the sake of the argument, do you think that you could give these two louts a run for their money? I'm almost willing to bet you could - you were prolly the one who gave them all... *ahem* a lot of their ideas in the first place. |
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Well, it certainly does put a different spin on things, doesn't it? At the very least, it negates my long-standing assertion that Ranka did not know about how far along Sheryl and Alto had been in their relationship, when she uttered that challenge to Sheryl at the end. Which has implications of its own.
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Secondly, we all formed our own opinions, helped along by discussion with each other. Cheesie was an important part of those discussions, but so were Swampstorm, JustinStrife, Westlo, Tak, BetoJR, Teletha, Raile, etc. etc ( the rest please don't get mad at me for not listing you, I know you were there! ^^ ). 2/10 for a Troll post.
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(I mean, c'mon, I only speed-read Persona 4 novel-consisting of various things that was not in the game-, but while some of the stories especially the Valentine one really make me curious, I will admit that the story-writing is so-so at best ) I actually am not too interested at buying the novel in Kinokuniya, even with AlaAlba's informative summaries. Most probably because laziness there is no motivation to read the pages of texts even though sometimes, I wonder what difference is there between the novel version with the anime. Then again, I'm not an avid literature person... O well... That and my money, as little as it is, tend to go somewhere else *cough shippingproducts cough* so me and most people are saving it for better use Quote:
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B-but cheesie makes such delicious tl;dr! You know you want to see it too! @maggie Hm. I see respect as a simple human decency that you give to everyone even if you don't think they're the coolest thing since sliced bread. How do you say what's an "actual" argument and what isn't? For example, the novel's take on ep 24 doesn't show any new information about Alto - he has all the same lines as before. So if you watched the show and didn't see the scene as proof that Alto loved Sheryl, then reading the novel isn't going to change your interpretation of that scene. Compare that with the novel's rendition of ep 22, where someone following the novels could now say that Sheryl and Alto passed the night together (since the novel states it outright, where the TV series did not). Now I understand you've argued these points many times over, so your frustration comes out readily. But it isn't always the same people asking these questions. Sometimes, it looks almost like you're trying to "teach" people the "correct" way of thinking instead of persuading them. Not only is that a turn-off for the person you're trying to convince, but it's also a turn-off for people watching, too. Wouldn't it be nice if instead of seeing even relatively neutral people hiding out in all different forums complaining of how abusive Sheryl fans are, people said "Yeah, I don't really agree with what their opinions, but they're a real classy bunch. They treat everyone with respect." It's not just other people's opinions of you that's on the line: it's people's opinions of the fandom as well. But the onus is on everyone to live up to that kind of standard. I'm not trying to cause in-fighting; It's not like you can really disagree with someone in your ship even if you think that their approach is inappropriate. Getting to your ideas about the series... Hm. How bout this. Pick a suitable thread and write your ideas about the meaning of Alto's paper airplanes. Take your time and show me your thinking. I'm interested in seeing what you come up with! |
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Alto likes airplanes because they represent his desire to fly and for personal freedom and because his mother, whom he misses very much, made them. Not really a topic one needs to write a novel about.
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That said, I still can't deny that I labu cheesie and her awesome fangirling analysis-rant. <3 In platonic, non-romantical way before she jumped the guns again and accuse me of being yuri at her 8'D Love your own master Swampy cheezu!
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Yeah I get what you mean Well I guess all this tl;dr was indirectly my fault because I wanted to spark some healthy discussion when I said 'So can we all agree that Alto went to confess.' I'm just happy that we get all this beautiful description of Sheryl's love for Alto in the novels. It may not be canon, but at least it enhances their relationship better. On a side note: Just got back from the largest anime convention in my country, and I noticed there were lots of Sheryl cosplayers and artworks! Really happy about that. That confirms that she is way way more popular than Ranka, really |
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