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K_R · 2003-11-12, 09:31

There's something that has been bugging me since episode 2, I've been considering doing a poll about it...

Do viewers of seichi's GSG like the gun notes at the beginning? Or should I give it the chop?

--

-Relentless

I assume all the girls are trained in the use of rifles, pistols and other (eg. shotguns). I would say Triela's "signature" weapon is the M1897, since that's what she's pictured with in the GSG logo thing.

Rico's ability with assault rifles doesn't necessarily translate to sniper rifles. Full auto is not particularly easy to control... I think they put that in to demonstrate Triela's prowess and overall superiority. But it could also mean...

Spoiler:

I don't remember my shooting instruction being much more detailed that what Hilsher told Triela, don't forget he seemed to stop halfway through when he saw her doing it on her own. How to hold the gun, line up the sights. There's not a lot to tell...

As to their ages, I assume they're all the same age. Their height and mental maturity doesn't tell anything, remember, we're not all clones and some people grow faster than others.

Shii · 2003-11-12, 09:51

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Originally Posted by K_R

Do viewers of seichi's GSG like the gun notes at the beginning? Or should I give it the chop?

I'm not interested, but I like the gun notes just because I get to listen to the OP a second time.

Plus, it can't be that hard to skip over them... although it would be easier if you used OGM.

aquilus · 2003-11-12, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Rico is waay too bad a shot with the Galil at the firing range considering that she's the team's sniper and has been at least two years "working" for the organization, don't you think?

Firing a sniper rifle is quite different than firing full auto/bursts from an assault rifle.

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Regarding the organization's amazing tactical prowess, did those clowns really, really believe they were going to fool anybody disguising little girls as maids? Sure, posh hotels hire elemental schoolers all time. Italy must have some weird Children's Labor laws, huh?

Well, it worked well enough

durrem · 2003-11-12, 14:06

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Originally Posted by K_R

Do viewers of seichi's GSG like the gun notes at the beginning? Or should I give it the chop?

I love them. Please keep them.

Lambda · 2003-11-12, 15:36

Well, I'm not watching seichi's version, so maybe it's not for me to say, but I still think it contains a point worth making; I, personally, am very glad the version I'm following (Triad) doesn't have any such notes. The anime really isn't about the technical details of firearms, (to me at least), so it seems inappropriate, perhaps even insensitive.

But then not every version has them, and choice is good. . .

Relentless · 2003-11-12, 23:57

I like the notes about the guns, but a bit of comment on their use in the anime would make them more relevant and less just dry specifications. While it's true GSG does not focus on the technical aspects of firearms, the author went to the lenght of giving each girl a different weapon. Might there even be a symbolic reason?

I still like to think the girls are of different ages since it fits with a pet theory of mine about how the anime might end :P

Rico has not shown abnormal strenght, probably her "upgrades" are mostly neural. She must have had some kind of nervous system illness that left her immobilized. Buuut...

Spoiler for manga chapter 9

Spoiler:

I was left with the impression that Triela may have had a previous supervisor before Hilsher, and he didn't know she was so experienced. I mean, how many times do you need to be told to align the sights? If they were practicing with bayonet, I half expect he would tell her: "Right, point the pointy end to the target!"

Kensuke · 2003-11-14, 20:03

Fourth episode was actually quite funny and happy, I laughed a lot, quite a mood change compared to third episode. Also finally some action (Triela rocks!), but some scenes were painful to watch, I feel sorry for Rico, and if this continues, it will be difficult for me to watch it... or maybe I'm too hooked to this series...

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Gabriel710 · 2003-11-15, 07:03

Damn those spoilers are so tempting to highlite.

Well just saw ep 4 and damn I liked it. As kensuke said Triela rocks. I really dont think that the girls are the same age since Triela has her period and she looks older than the other girls. I guess Triela and Henrieta are the lucky ones since they dont get hit by theire brothers. I dont know about you guys but it just pisses me off that Jon is hitting Rico.

Spoiler:

Keitaro · 2003-11-15, 07:52

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Originally Posted by Gabriel710

Damn those spoilers are so tempting to highlite.

Well just saw ep 4 and damn I liked it. As kensuke said Triela rocks. I really dont think that the girls are the same age since Triela has her period and she looks older than the other girls. I guess Triela and Henrieta are the lucky ones since they dont get hit by theire brothers. I dont know about you guys but it just pisses me off that Jon is hitting Rico.

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FlyByNite · 2003-11-15, 11:00

Yea, Triela is a pretty cool character and she has looked older then the others. I'd guess she's around 11 or 12. Maybe 13, but that's probably pushing it.

I really liked episode 4. Definitely my favorite episode so far.

Spoiler:

Go-lytely · 2003-11-16, 03:53

Spoiler:

btw, anyone know what Jean's nationality is?

PocariSweat · 2003-11-16, 23:29

Boy after watching episode four it struck me - did anyone else think that going back to see his daughter with half the mob on his tail was perhaps the *stupidest* thing that Mafia boss could have done? I mean everyone know those folks are such nice guys and would never lay a finger on his family - right?

Actually, I'm finding this show pretty painful to watch. It's not the quality of the show - it's just the situation it places these kids in just seems so utterly unconscionable. It's almost like saying reality isn't cruel enough already, so we're going to try and make a show as gut wrenchingly brutal and heartless as possible. Seems like the writers were just told "take the most innocent characters you can come up with and run them through a physical and emotional meat grinder". I surprised they don't have an episode where the kids are forced to kill puppies and kittens ...or each-other (but, heh I kind of expect that's comming down the pike).

It's almost like watching demon rape "snuff" hentai - more frightening than the story itself is that there's a market for the stuff.

Keitaro · 2003-11-16, 23:35

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Originally Posted by PocariSweat

Boy after watching episode four it struck me - did anyone else think that going back to see his daughter with half the mob on his tail was perhaps the *stupidest* thing that Mafia boss could have done? I mean everyone know those folks are such nice guys and would never lay a finger on his family - right?

Actually, I'm finding this show pretty painful to watch. It's not the quality of the show - it's just the situation it places these kids in just seems so utterly unconscionable. It's almost like saying reality isn't cruel enough already, so we're going to try and make a show as gut wrenchingly brutal and heartless as possible. Seems like the writers were just told "take the most innocent characters you can come up with and run them through a physical and emotional meat grinder". I surprised they don't have an episode where the kids are forced to kill puppies and kittens ...or each-other (but, heh I kind of expect that's comming down the pike).

It's almost like watching demon rape "snuff" hentai - more frightening than the story itself is that there's a market for the stuff.

True...this show reminds me of Noir, but ten times worse. I never watched an demon rape so I wouldnt know

skylion · 2003-11-16, 23:49

I am not what one would call an anime junkie, but thru my friends I keep a side interest in them. This show completely blows me away. When I heard about the english manga I had to call my local Barnes and Nobles to see if they would be getting it and they are, my copy is reserved. I cannot wait.
I am not the gun nut that some are, but I do believe that the girls individual guns do symbolize somthing. Rico is mostly lyconic, a perfect disposition for a sniper alone in her nest. Henrietta has the strength and tenacity (when she is in a gunfight) too wade into the fray, a submachine gun suits her. Trieal, so far, has worked as a adjunct to her sibling, so carries small arms (those brief seconds of her hand to hand fight in the streets of Naples were fantastic). The other girls, not much has been show about them in the four eps I have, but they seems to be sweepers. If these five girls ever work a mission together, they would seem to provide backup, it looks like they have semi-auto shotguns with lots of stopping power. But...I am probably wrong.
I like all the eps so far and would be hard pressed to pick my favorite. Ep 2 stands out to me because it provides alot of emotional backstory for Henrietta and Jose. His relationship too her is almost paternal, not brotherly. But he seems to regret his decision in both chosing her and working for the corporation. I could imagine him pulling a "Deckard" at the end, ala Blade Runner, and running off with her, but will have to wait and see.

Anlushac11 · 2003-11-17, 00:06

Spoiler:

skylion · 2003-11-17, 00:52

Spoiler Warning...

It might have brought some more dramatic tension had Triela not mentioned to Henrietta earlier in ep4 that she was having menstraul cramps. I don't know how that would help with character development as T seems fairly open about herself and her feelings. If she had only said something to Mario about it during the entire ep, it might have opened up some interesting things about her. She feels more comfortable talking to strangers than her friends.
Just conjecture really.

...end spoiler.

How do you do that neat highlight to read trick, btw?

Keitaro · 2003-11-17, 01:09

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Originally Posted by skylion

Spoiler Warning...

...end spoiler.

How do you do that neat highlight to read trick, btw?

Spoiler]put in message here[/spoiler] with the [

I think is another way of doing it but I forgot

PocariSweat · 2003-11-17, 02:55

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Originally Posted by Anlushac11

In Italy the Mafia still has their own code of honor, or so I was told.
They dont involve each others family members unless a member declares vendetta.

Somehow I think that's just an overly-romantic myth. The "honor among thief" bit may of had some truth at one time, but I think that's generally accepted as long gone. If it existed at all it was a rule between mob families (to avoid vendettas) - I really doubt it would be extended to someone who's turned traitor and no longer even part of the "family". When it comes down to the wire, you can bet they'll protect their own skin any way they can - indeed, the mob has often used such threats to keep it's members in the fold.

Not to mention this seems to be set in some future time where the mob is trafficking in children - I don't think there's much honor left after that.

skylion · 2003-11-17, 04:46

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Originally Posted by Keitarou20

Spoiler]put in message here[/spoiler] with the [

I think is another way of doing it but I forgot

Thanks. Let's give it a test...

Spoiler:

Did that work?

Xiandu · 2003-11-17, 05:43

I am really surprised by this show. When I first heard about it i wanted nothing to do with it. But after seeing a few posts at random sites i decided to give it a shot and must say that i love this show. Very dramatic though. Every episode leaves me bitter at these people who could do this to the adorable little girls.

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2003-11-12, 09:31	Link #41
K_R also known as K! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan	There's something that has been bugging me since episode 2, I've been considering doing a poll about it... Do viewers of seichi's GSG like the gun notes at the beginning? Or should I give it the chop? -- -Relentless I assume all the girls are trained in the use of rifles, pistols and other (eg. shotguns). I would say Triela's "signature" weapon is the M1897, since that's what she's pictured with in the GSG logo thing. Rico's ability with assault rifles doesn't necessarily translate to sniper rifles. Full auto is not particularly easy to control... I think they put that in to demonstrate Triela's prowess and overall superiority. But it could also mean... Spoiler: Rico's arms are still real. In manga chapter 3, we see Triela being shot in both arms and not being adversely affected. Hence she's able to control something like the G3 in full auto. I don't remember my shooting instruction being much more detailed that what Hilsher told Triela, don't forget he seemed to stop halfway through when he saw her doing it on her own. How to hold the gun, line up the sights. There's not a lot to tell... As to their ages, I assume they're all the same age. Their height and mental maturity doesn't tell anything, remember, we're not all clones and some people grow faster than others. Last edited by K_R; 2003-11-12 at 09:44.

2003-11-12, 23:57	Link #46
Relentless Certifiably insane Join Date: Nov 2003	I like the notes about the guns, but a bit of comment on their use in the anime would make them more relevant and less just dry specifications. While it's true GSG does not focus on the technical aspects of firearms, the author went to the lenght of giving each girl a different weapon. Might there even be a symbolic reason? I still like to think the girls are of different ages since it fits with a pet theory of mine about how the anime might end :P Rico has not shown abnormal strenght, probably her "upgrades" are mostly neural. She must have had some kind of nervous system illness that left her immobilized. Buuut... Spoiler for manga chapter 9 Spoiler: I don't think so. Rico is shot on the right arm and, like Triela, it doesn't affect her. Rico is also shot on the head, would her skull be armor plated? I think all the girls have had their four limbs replaced or massively reinforced since they pretty much use her arms as shields in a pinch and can stop bullets at quite close range. It's soo insensitive, but Triela kicks ass BTW, K_R, I'd like to ask you a question about manga chapter 4, may I? I was left with the impression that Triela may have had a previous supervisor before Hilsher, and he didn't know she was so experienced. I mean, how many times do you need to be told to align the sights? If they were practicing with bayonet, I half expect he would tell her: "Right, point the pointy end to the target!" Last edited by Relentless; 2003-11-13 at 00:30.

2003-11-14, 20:03	Link #47
Kensuke Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Finland	Fourth episode was actually quite funny and happy, I laughed a lot, quite a mood change compared to third episode. Also finally some action (Triela rocks!), but some scenes were painful to watch, I feel sorry for Rico, and if this continues, it will be difficult for me to watch it... or maybe I'm too hooked to this series... Spoiler: Scenes of Mario and Triela handcuffed were funny. And when mafia captures him he says (from Miyuki sub) "...because just about now a pretty scary person is coming." LOL!

2003-11-15, 07:03	Link #48
Gabriel710 Angel Of Death Join Date: Nov 2003	Damn those spoilers are so tempting to highlite. Well just saw ep 4 and damn I liked it. As kensuke said Triela rocks. I really dont think that the girls are the same age since Triela has her period and she looks older than the other girls. I guess Triela and Henrieta are the lucky ones since they dont get hit by theire brothers. I dont know about you guys but it just pisses me off that Jon is hitting Rico. Spoiler: Oh yah who else thinks that Mario is Trielas dad?

2003-11-15, 11:00	Link #50
FlyByNite Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003	Yea, Triela is a pretty cool character and she has looked older then the others. I'd guess she's around 11 or 12. Maybe 13, but that's probably pushing it. I really liked episode 4. Definitely my favorite episode so far. Spoiler: altho it was obvious to me Mario was going to be looking for his daughter to give a Christmas present to. I figured that would happened when they made a big deal out of presents in the episode already. Still it was pretty cool. I have to wonder though. Wouldn't Mario put his daughter in danger by seeing her? Or why wouldn't the mafia use his daughter against him? I'd guess he kept her secret and they had no idea about her. Although they could still have tracked him and he would have ended up putting her in danger.

2003-11-12, 15:36	Link #45
Lambda Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 44	Well, I'm not watching seichi's version, so maybe it's not for me to say, but I still think it contains a point worth making; I, personally, am very glad the version I'm following (Triad) doesn't have any such notes. The anime really isn't about the technical details of firearms, (to me at least), so it seems inappropriate, perhaps even insensitive. But then not every version has them, and choice is good. . .

2003-11-16, 03:53	Link #51
Go-lytely Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Springfield Age: 46	Spoiler: Triela is definitely not Mario's daughter. Remember the conversation in the bathroom, Mario was involved with shipping young girls "lambs" prostitutes most likely to Amsterdam. Triela remembered her parents got her in Amsterdam so she may have been one of the "lambs" as well. Mario felt guilty which is probably why he sent Triela the bear. btw, anyone know what Jean's nationality is?

2003-11-16, 23:29	Link #52
PocariSweat ポカリが？どんな動物ですか？ Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: あんたの頭の中	Boy after watching episode four it struck me - did anyone else think that going back to see his daughter with half the mob on his tail was perhaps the stupidest thing that Mafia boss could have done? I mean everyone know those folks are such nice guys and would never lay a finger on his family - right? Actually, I'm finding this show pretty painful to watch. It's not the quality of the show - it's just the situation it places these kids in just seems so utterly unconscionable. It's almost like saying reality isn't cruel enough already, so we're going to try and make a show as gut wrenchingly brutal and heartless as possible. Seems like the writers were just told "take the most innocent characters you can come up with and run them through a physical and emotional meat grinder". I surprised they don't have an episode where the kids are forced to kill puppies and kittens ...or each-other (but, heh I kind of expect that's comming down the pike). It's almost like watching demon rape "snuff" hentai - more frightening than the story itself is that there's a market for the stuff.

2003-11-16, 23:49	Link #54
skylion Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kentucky, USA Age: 52	New to watching fansubs, but love this series. I am not what one would call an anime junkie, but thru my friends I keep a side interest in them. This show completely blows me away. When I heard about the english manga I had to call my local Barnes and Nobles to see if they would be getting it and they are, my copy is reserved. I cannot wait. I am not the gun nut that some are, but I do believe that the girls individual guns do symbolize somthing. Rico is mostly lyconic, a perfect disposition for a sniper alone in her nest. Henrietta has the strength and tenacity (when she is in a gunfight) too wade into the fray, a submachine gun suits her. Trieal, so far, has worked as a adjunct to her sibling, so carries small arms (those brief seconds of her hand to hand fight in the streets of Naples were fantastic). The other girls, not much has been show about them in the four eps I have, but they seems to be sweepers. If these five girls ever work a mission together, they would seem to provide backup, it looks like they have semi-auto shotguns with lots of stopping power. But...I am probably wrong. I like all the eps so far and would be hard pressed to pick my favorite. Ep 2 stands out to me because it provides alot of emotional backstory for Henrietta and Jose. His relationship too her is almost paternal, not brotherly. But he seems to regret his decision in both chosing her and working for the corporation. I could imagine him pulling a "Deckard" at the end, ala Blade Runner, and running off with her, but will have to wait and see.

2003-11-17, 00:06	Link #55
Anlushac11 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana, USA	Spoiler: In Italy the Mafia still has their own code of honor, or so I was told. They dont involve each others family members unless a member declares vendetta. Since we are talking about the Italian Mafia they normally would not hurt the wife or children. In USA that is a different matter. And yes Triela rocks! and wasnt something said that Henrietta cant have mentrual cramps? or was that Rico? Artifical body? no reproductive organs?

2003-11-17, 00:52	Link #56
skylion Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kentucky, USA Age: 52	to fansubber or future subtitlers or dubbers... Spoiler Warning... It might have brought some more dramatic tension had Triela not mentioned to Henrietta earlier in ep4 that she was having menstraul cramps. I don't know how that would help with character development as T seems fairly open about herself and her feelings. If she had only said something to Mario about it during the entire ep, it might have opened up some interesting things about her. She feels more comfortable talking to strangers than her friends. Just conjecture really. ...end spoiler. How do you do that neat highlight to read trick, btw?

2003-11-17, 05:43	Link #60
Xiandu Destroyer of the God Deus Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Carlsbad CA Age: 45	I am really surprised by this show. When I first heard about it i wanted nothing to do with it. But after seeing a few posts at random sites i decided to give it a shot and must say that i love this show. Very dramatic though. Every episode leaves me bitter at these people who could do this to the adorable little girls. Spoiler: Ok now the point of my post. I believe that in either ep2 or 3 they said Triela is around 15 or so. Thus the reason for the cramps. Really sad about Henrietta because she lost most of her body do that tragic incident she had. And i agree that it is impossible for Mario to be the father of Triela.