2011-10-13, 05:46 | Link #25081 |
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I don't actually believe Ronove being George in that scene, but I just threw that into the discussion.
I too noticed how George's talk with Gaap might have been directly with Shannon. It does fit better than her being Jessica. But Beatrice and Gaap's relationship is a bit similar to Shannon and Jessica's. I don't think it would be too far-fetched to think that Gaap would be some kind of representative of Jessica-as-accomplice, even if not in the fight scene of EP4. George is more suspicious, but they might both be in it. Though I don't like how much it's going to the direction that almost everyone is taking part in it. Random joke theory time: You remember anime and game adaptions having a slim George in them? Of course REAL George is fat in both. The adaptions use an alternate timeline where Kanon is impersonating George in the adaptions using glasses (foreshadowed in EP6 naming George Kanon, and the EP2 thing about Kanon in someone's earlier post). Kanon actually exists! Shannon is probably still trans-meido when Kanon and George appear in the same place. Maybe he actually has a pillow under his shirt in the original versions too, which would make this an universal theory. Last edited by Bluemail; 2011-10-13 at 08:41. |
2011-10-13, 13:18 | Link #25083 | |
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2011-10-13, 16:18 | Link #25084 | |
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If I was writing umineko I'd definitely have two sets of sprites for George. Normal fat George (Fatter than he normally is in the original sprites) and slim-fit martial artist George for the fantasy scenes. Also, flat as a board Jessica and more voluptuous Jessica for the fantasy scenes.
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2011-10-14, 21:38 | Link #25088 | |
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In any other episode, golden butterflies would basically appear anywhere, so if they are indication of insanity, then basically everybody's insane... which could explain alot. |
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2011-10-15, 00:51 | Link #25089 |
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Pretty sure we can just take the servant's word for it that the golden butterflies signify "Beatrice's presence", and serve to notify us of her obfuscating fantasy narrative.
The only people who seem to clearly become a bit unhinged due to the stress, on the gameboard, are Natsuhi / Eva in Legend and Turn, and probably Yasu in Alliance. :-/ |
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2011-10-16, 20:29 | Link #25093 |
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I forget how the scene goes, but didn't they hear Eva-Beatrice's trademark line at the beginning of the play or something? All I remember now is that that is the clue we're supposed to use when Bernkastel said she wasn't really the storyteller this time around.
So, that's what leads me and some others here to believe that EP7 was more a story from Eva's diary or something. |
2011-10-16, 20:37 | Link #25094 | |
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Bern's comment that their is no gamemaster is way too much used as a weapon against Ange, even keeping it from her until it really hurts her, so I think it's actually true. It being a scene from Eva's diary is quite likely,especially it shows almost oly scenes from Eva's perspective or guessable area and also shows events that are beyond Beatrice's passing. |
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2011-10-16, 20:59 | Link #25095 | |
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Moreover, the Tea Party wasn't really a Game so much as a SHOW, so there's quite a few ways she can claim she's not the Gamemaster.
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2011-10-16, 23:26 | Link #25096 |
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Well, Bern really didn't do much gamemastering. She created the patchwork kakera with Lion and Yasu co-existing, and she watched Will solve Beatrice's game.
Incidentally, I have an idea for why Yasu started dressing up as Kanon. Imaginary beings and items need to be acknowledged by at least one outside observer or they stay as mere delusions, right? Yasu wanted to validate the truth of Kanon's existence by making other people believe and act like he existed. True, the motive does depend on Yasu's nonstandard frame of mind, but it's an action that's in-character for her. Someone else came up with this argument for how no one was able to notice the illusion, which I'm taking and modifying, but I can't remember the name of this person. The theory for how says that Kanon spent a lot of time serving Kinzo, and that when he was busy working as a regular servant, Shannon was busy serving Kinzo instead. Both 'Kanon' and Shannon could take turns working privately with Kumasawa or Genji to stay out of sight. Lastly, if you make Kanon a servant who only works at the island on some days, and have Genji claim that Shannon's schooling has been expanded to the point where she's away from the island more frequently, you may be able to create a Shkanon ruse capable of fooling Natsuhi and Jessica.
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2011-10-17, 02:43 | Link #25098 |
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I was thinking along the lines of creating a story for everyone to act out, though your points about Bern writing the setting and controlling the characters had slipped my mind. In Bern's game, though, everyone simply stands around (maybe talking) until Will and Lion show up to talk to them. In the other games, by contrast, there's a definite plot.
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2011-10-17, 03:29 | Link #25099 |
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I've been working on a translation of that interview that was linked in the Translation Project thread. I'm not finished yet, but here's a rather interesting part as a teaser, talking about the scene in EP8 of Beatrice and Battler jumping in the ocean. The interviewer is Ryuukishi's editor, incidentally.
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2011-10-17, 04:12 | Link #25100 |
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Seriously? Ryuukishi seriously said that?!
That would make Yasu's entire motivation to get a declaration of love from Battler, George and Jessica and then kill herself. Ryuukishi thinks women don't want to live with their loved ones. I think that dequalifies him to talk about any emotion ever. |
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