Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[orion]

i'm in the other category too.

She can exist but not be a witch.

At least we know what happened to the shrine in ep. 1. Setting up those 3 like that is so evil.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by klare

thx for all the explanations here

at first i thought this series is more like murder cases that can be solved with scientific answers...

Your definitely right on one thing: this isn't your usual murder case story. I tend to think that the "murder case" is merely the background of the "real" story.

[Kazane]

Originally Posted by cheesie

It didnt 'fail to convey properly'. It did exactly what it was supposed to do : serve as an introductory arc that gives you a glimpse of the overall picture before the future arcs take over and dive into more detail.

I'm quite sure that there were elements in the previous Episode that were cut, such as Jessica's asthma and the relationships between some characters. You're right, though, since nothing overly major was actually left out during the previous episodes and cleared up in this one.

Anyway, I'm quite surprised that Beatrice regarded Kinzo so mockingly instead of like in the first letter where she referred to him as "Kinzo-sama". This makes me pity Kinzo even more...

[chronotrig]

Actually, I like what they did with the asthma here. It wasn't really needed in the first arc, though it might have been better if they'd included it. As a way to save time though, there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting off that explanation until this episode.

[Karlson]

If Umineko has lacked anything so far, it has been the development of most the characters themselves. So in turn, this episode was a nice start of adressing that problem for me as a development episode. Highly enjoyed it and I can see the mindrape coming as I'm finding it more difficult to convince myself that Beatrice doesn't exist (what with her human form appearing in the real world), unless that was just Kanon/Shannon's imagination that I just witnessed.

[jeroz]

well, didn't R07 stated in his official site that this is a challenge to the readers "how long can you stand in your ground that witches don't exist" (or something to that effect)?
judging from the content of this episode, the loop holes had been covered up one by one, as in it's harder to find a counter argument against magic. I will enjoy the belief-crushing experience that will come later on, and hopefully R07 will not disappoint me.

[Ithekro]

Becomes an interesting set of questions: Does Beatrice exist? Is she a witch? Did she murder all those people?

[Archon_Wing]

The show took a detour back in time and gave an interesting look at the characters' relationship. Emo Kanon was just lol and hard to take seriously. I was left wondering of the relevance of this episode to the whole story, and it's keeping me watching and wondering of the nature of Beatrice's abilities. I'd rate it as an 8/ 10. This is a good direction to take the series in, as before I felt no attachment to most of the characters; they just happened to be people that died.

edit: The cosplay was pretty funny.

[Lio]

Ah, much better than the first five. Better balance and pacing... and I guess now that the intro is over, it's the "relationship" arc this time. I liked this episode. They're actually starting to show more realistic emotions. They seem more believable.

-Shannon is so cute!
And does anyone have a hard time seeing George without imagining he's Tohno Shiki or Mikiya? Same voice actor, same personality, and same looks geez. I love this pairing, but they'll probably get ripped apart like Eva and her husband. Bleh.

-Eva's back, and her voice is still sexy as ever! So why did she have to ruin it with that nasty jab at Shannon?
As far as I'm concerned, she's Beatrice's twin. Similar looks, similar voice, and they both have that Lol I troll you attitude. I like these two.

-Kanon... what's your problem? ._. Poor Jessica.

Also, I'm finally convinced that Kanon's actually a guy. I read several people referring to him as "he" but didn't believe it until after he died in the first arc. I always thought they were the Hisui and Kohaku of Umineko.

Originally Posted by chronotrig

Actually, I like what they did with the asthma here. It wasn't really needed in the first arc, though it might have been better if they'd included it. As a way to save time though, there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting off that explanation until this episode.

No need to explain everything at once. Of course the VN readers will be picky about it but I felt it turned out well for the anime. Makes the audience think "Ahh, Jessica has asthma" instead of "Lol introduce blond girl with asthma."

[vandakiara]

^ Lol I actually never thought of George as Mikiya... not to mention him as shiki is just... weird

and yeah, the asthma issue was handled quite well - it didn't need to show up in the 1sr arc - and I laughed when it appeared here because of what was happening nice job DEEN

[Kokuhaku]

It was really carried out well.
I really like Beato stuffing herself some biscuits. Was very appealing.
Well, before I was wondering why there was Touhou influence in the pics, but now I know why. XD

[-Sho-]

Hmmm a 5/10 for me it was not very entertaining than the others episodes .
Well , The Romance between "Tools" and "Humans" .
So Shannon broke the mirrror then Beatrice got her powers back . Its her fault lol . Well , she wanted a true love with George .
Hmmm , its bother me . Who are Shannon and Kanon ? Just "tools" or they have some family etc ... and work in the island ? i mean , if they don't like their life they should leave ...

Want more Battler vs Beatrice

[Unknown Soldier]

I could tell you what Shannon and Kanon really are but you really, really should have been able to figure out what they were just from what you are told in this episode:

(1) Only they can see Beatrice.
(2) They are furniture and did not start out as human. They became human when they gained human emotions.
(3) They are effectively enslaved by some power greater than themselves and have no free will and cannot escape from the island.
(4) Beatrice is trying to help them fall in love with Ushiromiya children in order to break out of her own imprisonment.

Well, have you figured out what they are yet?

[-Sho-]

"Useful Tools" ?

[Paranoia833]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I could tell you what Shannon and Kanon really are but you really, really should have been able to figure out what they were just from what you are told in this episode:

(1) Only they can see Beatrice.
(2) They are furniture and did not start out as human. They became human when they gained human emotions.
(3) They are effectively enslaved by some power greater than themselves and have no free will and cannot escape from the island.
(4) Beatrice is trying to help them fall in love with Ushiromiya children in order to break out of her own imprisonment.

Well, have you figured out what they are yet?

I think so Brain... but this time can I pour the bucket of water over Beatrice?

...

So they're both high and hallucinating then? So when do we get to find out about the orphanage they both come from? I've got a few theories about that, but no real evidence to go on.

[Fabelyn]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

(2) They are furniture and did not start out as human. They became human when they gained human emotions.

I never understood this part. Weren't they human when they were in the orphanage, before going to Rokkenjima?

[Beruko08]

Originally Posted by JessicaUshiromiya

I never understood this part. Weren't they human when they were in the orphanage, before going to Rokkenjima?

I think he meant about their way of thinking, not the body.

[urusai]

Obviously, they're robots. Just look at how Shannon's arms move when Beatrice passes her the brooch...

[Kitsu]

Obviously, they're robots. Just look at how Shannon's arms move when Beatrice passes her the brooch...

Yup, Kanon already revealed that in the preview so I'm unsure why you guys are actually questioning it. xDDD

[MeoTwister5]

Robots with breasts are awesome.

"You cannot resist us Mr. Powers."