Senkaku/Diaoyu/Tiaoyutai/Pinnacle Islands dispute

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Reminds me of all the violence that PRC citizens did to Koreans back in 2008 in the Korean part of the torch relay.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

It'd be pretty damn appalling if that witness who opted to stay anonymous for safety reasons was a native Ethiopian. Are the Chinese activists proud that they're terrorizing the citizens of the country they're in?

Thos are negative comments about China and thus are inaccurate propaganda from Western news agencies. China opts for a peaceful rise and would like the relevant agencies to recheck their facts or their country will have their FDI confiscated and Chinese investments in there withdrawn. [/sarcastic]

[maplehurry]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Inaccurate titles aside...



...strong feelings aside, do Chinese citizens REALLY think that foreign countries are appropriate place to let loose their anger about regional politics back in Asia? Engaging in disorderly politically motivated brawls while in somebody elses country seems uncouth and thuggish to me. Is this the kind of reputation that Chinese citizens abroad are trying to make for their country? By causing trouble for other people who have nothing to do with China's grievances?


It'd be pretty damn appalling if that witness who opted to stay anonymous for safety reasons was a native Ethiopian. Are the Chinese activists proud that they're terrorizing the citizens of the country they're in?

This is what happens when you import cheap labors without checking about them. (not saying every cheap labors have bad manners of course)

They aren't real immigrants. In this case, what foreigners think of them is of minor concern when their actions will be celebrated as heroic in China.

[Wild Goose]

And to think that all of this could have been avoided if Tokyo's mayor didn't kick a fuss about the islands a few years ago and lead an expedition there. Prior to that, everyone was pretending that the islands weren't a problem - which was admittedly not ideal, but at least things weren't heating up.

[kuroishinigami]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Inaccurate titles aside...



...strong feelings aside, do Chinese citizens REALLY think that foreign countries are appropriate place to let loose their anger about regional politics back in Asia? Engaging in disorderly politically motivated brawls while in somebody elses country seems uncouth and thuggish to me. Is this the kind of reputation that Chinese citizens abroad are trying to make for their country? By causing trouble for other people who have nothing to do with China's grievances?


It'd be pretty damn appalling if that witness who opted to stay anonymous for safety reasons was a native Ethiopian. Are the Chinese activists proud that they're terrorizing the citizens of the country they're in?

I'll be first to admit, some of mainland citizens who works abroad can be, for lack of better words, pricks and intolerant of others. Not surprising though considering how lots of those mainland citizens act even in their own country(loud, rude, etc.). With that said, there are a lot of decent mainlanders too, at least at the university area when I studied there as a student exchange

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

And to think that all of this could have been avoided if Tokyo's mayor didn't kick a fuss about the islands a few years ago and lead an expedition there. Prior to that, everyone was pretending that the islands weren't a problem - which was admittedly not ideal, but at least things weren't heating up.

True, but even then, the matter of the island is a ticking bomb already. Some lunatics bound to trigger it sooner or later

[AnimeFan188]

China Plans to Build 4 Aircraft Carriers:

"Chinese leaders plan on building four aircraft carriers for its navy, a Chinese official
said in comments that have since been removed from a Chinese media site.

Liaoning party chief Wang Min said the Chinese navy had started work on the
country’s second aircraft carrier and had plans for four, according to the South China
Morning Post. Earlier this year, Chinese officials explained the country’s need for
more than two aircraft carriers."

See:

http://defensetech.org/2014/01/22/ch...raft-carriers/

[Ithekro]

I'd heard of that one before. They'd have the Russian built carrier, then two based on that design. Followed by two more that might be slightly larger, or more suited for Chinese needs than the Russian design.

The Japanese "Helicopter Destroyers" are not nearly as large or capable. But they already have some, and are working on a larger version. Those (if fitted with F-35s I suppose) combined with the South Korean assault ships could be enough to counter the Chinese carriers without having to shift extra American carriers to the region.

The British will probably deploy one of their building Queen Elizabeth-class carriers to the region as well, perhaps detached to the Australians.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The British will probably deploy one of their building Queen Elizabeth-class carriers to the region as well, perhaps detached to the Australians.

Didn't the British put their 2 last carriers on the shelf without using them?

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I'd heard of that one before. They'd have the Russian built carrier, then two based on that design. Followed by two more that might be slightly larger, or more suited for Chinese needs than the Russian design.

The Japanese "Helicopter Destroyers" are not nearly as large or capable. But they already have some, and are working on a larger version. Those (if fitted with F-35s I suppose) combined with the South Korean assault ships could be enough to counter the Chinese carriers without having to shift extra American carriers to the region.

The British will probably deploy one of their building Queen Elizabeth-class carriers to the region as well, perhaps detached to the Australians.

Considering how regional politics play out, they might deploy them ALONGSIDE the Chinese.

[Fireminer]

Have anyone think this dispute is the start of China to take back Taiwan? If it win, China would get three prizes: The island's resources, a show of muscle before Japan, Korea America, and to divert the world's attention away from it and Taiwan.

[Ithekro]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

Didn't the British put their 2 last carriers on the shelf without using them?

The Queen Elizabeth is scheduled for launch in July of this year. Suppose to be fitted out, and crewed by 2016. Ready for Royal Navy service in 2017.

The Prince of Wales was to be cancelled, but the clause if the second ship wasn't built in the contract was more expensive than building it, so at this time it will also be built. Final word won't be until 2015.

[maplehurry]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.UuLrpfQo7Qf

Kyodo News confirmed, from a recording by its reporter at the session, that Abe, who was speaking in Japanese, did not describe the Japan-China relationship as being in a “similar situation” to that of Britain and Germany before World War I, as reported by some foreign media. That part was added by the interpreter.

That interpreter's trying too hard lol. Must be new to doing the interpreting for politician.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Kyodo News confirmed, from a recording by its reporter at the session, that Abe, who was speaking in Japanese, did not describe the Japan-China relationship as being in a “similar situation” to that of Britain and Germany before World War I, as reported by some foreign media. That part was added by the interpreter.

Dunno why the interpreter had to say that when people who know history ain't fooled. It's quite blatant that China IS acting like Germany before WWI with trademark Wilhelmine hawkishness and the exponential investment into military hardware.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

Dunno why the interpreter had to say that when people who know history ain't fooled. It's quite blatant that China IS acting like Germany before WWI with trademark Wilhelmine hawkishness and the exponential investment into military hardware.

which European country pre-wwi wasn't into "exponential investment in military hardware."

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

which European country pre-wwi wasn't into "exponential investment in military hardware."

Lichtenstein.

Jokes aside, we can see how China's aggressively trying to build up its forces, but I think the advantage in any shooting war would go to Japan, who has more modern ships in quality and numbers than China (China has a large fleet yes, but doesn't have as many modern DDGs as Japan does).

That's all academic however, because it will depend on which side the US comes down. China owns the US debt, but the US is a Japanese ally...

[Xellos-_^]

oh i agree, at this point Japan still have Air and naval superiority. Which is why i think anyone who thinks China will start a war with Japan is complete idiot. Anyone who starts a war with japan and lose it would be thrown out of office fast. The real danger is if someone f*ckup and accidentally start something neither side can backdown form.

[LeoXiao]

4 carriers? They should name them the Black Turtle, White Tiger, Cinnabar Phoenix, and Indigo Dragon.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by LeoXiao

4 carriers? They should name them the Black Turtle, White Tiger, Cinnabar Phoenix, and Indigo Dragon.

They already copied the Predator drone and named it Pterodactyl.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

That's all academic however, because it will depend on which side the US comes down.

Considering how much of a wuss Obama has been on foreign policy (my biggest point of criticism about him, which was confirmed in Robert Gates' new book), that's plenty of uncertainty around.

[maplehurry]

Robert Gates also criticized Netanyahu for being too hawkish.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by maplehurry

Robert Gates also criticized Netanyahu for being too hawkish.

Can't say I disagree with that.